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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sadrik" data-source="post: 2701562" data-attributes="member: 14506">IH brought the over arching idea of using tokens to power abilities/spells. Thats it (at least for me). However on the message boards for the game they have been trying to develope a new casting system for the arcanist class which is the casting class from IH. I put in a couple of ideas on that system and a couple of ideas on SteveC's system which popped up around the same time. My version differs from steveC's on the following things:Negative spell tokens (like you already pointed out).Regenerating spell tokens (You get 1 spell token back per minute, or faster if you take actions to recharge.)The absence of an overarching new class that this all fits into. (My version is a template that you drop over everything.)Negative spell tokens:What is their purpose?They create a system of lowering the overall caster level and power of the caster.For each negative spell token they have-They lower the maximum number of tokens you can spend on a single spell by 1.They lower the maximum size of your token pool by 2.Why?There are three ways you gain negative spell tokens: Overcasting, Negative Casting and Permanent Spell Casting.Overcasting- allows you to increase the maximum number of tokens you can spend on one spell. For instace if you were a 4th level wizard you could increase your caster level to 6 and the spells DC by 1. To do this you take on 1 negative spell token.Negative Casting- allows the caster to cast into negative spell points at the cost of diminishing there over-all effectiveness for the rest of the day and beyond. For every spell point they draw from an empty spell pool they take 1 negative spell token.Permanent Spell Casting- When a character casts a duration permanent spell they take on negative spell token depending on the level of the spell. Why- I think this was discussed in SteveC's thread pretty well but... Basically, you dont want a character running around casting a whole bunch of permanent spells without any drawback; since they essentially could do it all day.So why use this mechanic?I think that negative spell tokens are a hefty hit to a caster, moreso than being just "dissipated". So, it makes using an of these effects (that gain negative spell tokens) more of a last resort. That is what I wanted.  They are like negative levels for casters and as such players dont want them. As far killing themself after a few cure disease spells:They have to lower their maximum pool size to zero. That is pretty hard unless they cast it a lot. I think that the characters wouldnt kill themself.Spell token regeneration?I believe if memory serves SteveC had all the spell tokens reappear after 5 minutes. He also had some action that got you spell tokens back during a battle. In this system they regenerate at a 1 per minute rate naturally and the caster can accellerate getting them back by taking actions (this is very similar to IH). The overarching caster class thing?I would rather just template the whole system to all casters.</blockquote>

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