Padril
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Here is a very well written and intelligent article on why DRM fails the consumer.
http://craphound.com/msftdrm.txt
http://craphound.com/msftdrm.txt
Another take on DRM
- Thread starter Padril
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When a customer buys one of my company's products, it is with the understanding that it will be interesting and useful. DRM inherently reduces the usefulness of the product.
Therefor I am proud to not use DRM in any way with my products. I would rather lose a few sales to piracy and have happy customers, than to piss of my customer base and lose sales to THAT!
Therefor I am proud to not use DRM in any way with my products. I would rather lose a few sales to piracy and have happy customers, than to piss of my customer base and lose sales to THAT!
Steve Wieck
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Padril said:
Thanks for posting the link Padril. It was a nice informed perspective on the subject.
I personally felt that the presenter failed to provide convincing evidence of some of the key points and also failed to offer any long term viable alternative solutions, but I certainly learned some new things by reading it!
Steve
Steve Wieck said:
The only real solution to your problem is trust. Trust the great majority of your customers to do the right thing with the product they buy. Hell, for most people P2P file sharing is really more trouble than it's worth. It's a small minority of hardcore pseudo-socialists and anti-corporate twinks who take the extra effort required to pirate product. Given the choice between using a P2P app and buying the goods, I'd rather pay for the stuff I'm looking for. It's easier. Trust in basic human laziness and you'll rarely go wrong.
Iceflame55
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I read that article myself.
I'll state first that I hate DRM with a passion that some might calll borderline insanity. The article you read tells why with great clarity. I'll point out that fort each of the five points in the article, so you might possibliy begin to understand why I'm not going to be considering anything but FREE DRM wrapped products.
Number 1: Whats the point of a security system that hands the keys to unlocking it to the people you feel your products must be protected against? You might be tempted to say, "But an HONEST customer wouldn't USE those keys". A customer who is honest pays for their products with the understanding that once they pay for it, the product in question is their to use as long as they don't attempt to pirate it off to someone else. An honest publisher tries to ensure his LEGAL customers get their money's worth. DRM doesn't give that. A person who looks at his e-books and doesn't print, or copy/paste more than 10 times in 10 days is extremly rare.
Number 2: When I buy a product, I unconditionally did NOT give the publisher any rights to tell me what I can and cannot do with my PERSONAL COMPUTER. I'm intelligent enough to know on my own that law-breaking is not a Good Thing, thank you very much. I DON'T need a third-party electronic nursemaid telling me this. And last I seen, when someone was 18 the need for a nursemaid was over. Anyone that told me I need one at this time would have me reaching for the phone, so I could call the Men in White Coats to take them back to Insane Asylum they ran away from to come and get them.
Number 3: I'll admit I can't say much about this point, as I'm not versed in the area of topic this point runs off into. So, on to.....
Number 4: This one been proven so many times in history that it has no need for me to defend it. anyone can look these instances up if they are willing to take the time.
Number 5: This point sums up 1, 2, and 4 up quite nicely (Again, since I not know enough on #4 to say by any personal experiance, I'm leaving it alone). The sad thing about it, the DRM proponents were losing this battle before it even started. If I can't use my product the way the format was designed for, why in God's Name would I BUY it? Because I'm an honest customer? I much prefer to be an honest customer; but that doesn't say I HAVE to buy the product. If I can't USE what I buy, then it's not worth my money. If it's not worth my money, it's not worth my time.
I've been to DTRPG. There are books I'd LOVE to have as e-books despite the high price on many of those books. But if I can't use the product for me PERSONAL use, that money spent would be as well spent throwing it into fireplace.
Steve Wieck said:
I'll state first that I hate DRM with a passion that some might calll borderline insanity. The article you read tells why with great clarity. I'll point out that fort each of the five points in the article, so you might possibliy begin to understand why I'm not going to be considering anything but FREE DRM wrapped products.
Number 1: Whats the point of a security system that hands the keys to unlocking it to the people you feel your products must be protected against? You might be tempted to say, "But an HONEST customer wouldn't USE those keys". A customer who is honest pays for their products with the understanding that once they pay for it, the product in question is their to use as long as they don't attempt to pirate it off to someone else. An honest publisher tries to ensure his LEGAL customers get their money's worth. DRM doesn't give that. A person who looks at his e-books and doesn't print, or copy/paste more than 10 times in 10 days is extremly rare.
Number 2: When I buy a product, I unconditionally did NOT give the publisher any rights to tell me what I can and cannot do with my PERSONAL COMPUTER. I'm intelligent enough to know on my own that law-breaking is not a Good Thing, thank you very much. I DON'T need a third-party electronic nursemaid telling me this. And last I seen, when someone was 18 the need for a nursemaid was over. Anyone that told me I need one at this time would have me reaching for the phone, so I could call the Men in White Coats to take them back to Insane Asylum they ran away from to come and get them.
Number 3: I'll admit I can't say much about this point, as I'm not versed in the area of topic this point runs off into. So, on to.....
Number 4: This one been proven so many times in history that it has no need for me to defend it. anyone can look these instances up if they are willing to take the time.
Number 5: This point sums up 1, 2, and 4 up quite nicely (Again, since I not know enough on #4 to say by any personal experiance, I'm leaving it alone). The sad thing about it, the DRM proponents were losing this battle before it even started. If I can't use my product the way the format was designed for, why in God's Name would I BUY it? Because I'm an honest customer? I much prefer to be an honest customer; but that doesn't say I HAVE to buy the product. If I can't USE what I buy, then it's not worth my money. If it's not worth my money, it's not worth my time.
I've been to DTRPG. There are books I'd LOVE to have as e-books despite the high price on many of those books. But if I can't use the product for me PERSONAL use, that money spent would be as well spent throwing it into fireplace.
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Iceflame55
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*looks back at last post* Sorry about the length fellows, but Steve's response was a tad annoying, especially since there have been attempts to point out possible alternatives on at least one other board he's been to that would work in intent as well as DRM, without crippling the product for those who buy legally. He overlooked the reasonable ones, and kept posting at the hotheads.
Iceflame55
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By the way, I went to your site, and am going to get Dead Stars as soon as this is posted here. Sounds like it has some interesting Ideas I've been looking forStrutinan said:
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