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Message: <blockquote data-quote="daemonslye" data-source="post: 929861" data-attributes="member: 6309">Andargor,While the prospect of fighting one or two (watch those ELranges DM!) flayers is daunting, you have won the most criticalphase of the match - you know what you are up against (assuming these are indeed what you face...).I rather doubt you will have the luxury of surprise when facingthese creatures - they simply plan too well.  After many encounters over the years with illithids, I can say protectionof your combat assets is the most important tactic.Again, because you will not know when they are coming, youwill more than likely be surprised by the flayers.  Alwaysremember, "thrall" can be almost any creature - not just humanoids.I would caution you to load up on dispel magic and haste;with the cleric focusing on dispel magic and buffs such as owls wisdom to boost his/her (and your) will saves.Out of the monster manual, mind blast is a spell-like abilityand, thus, may be dispelled.  Another concept would be tocharm your own party (assuming they would agree - thiscould be unlikely), this could allow you to somewhat countera charm thrown at your fighter (possibly preserving a dispel -the old "charm contention rule" goes into effect).More standard tactics - always start with haste on yourself;The cleric will focus on keeping the fighter mobile with dispels.You protect the thief - using imp. invis seems like a good tacticbut make sure you have a detect invis going to watch his progress and allowing you to target him with your dispelmagic (imp invis is nice for sneak attacks but because mindblast is a large cone, dont expect the rogue will stay mobile forever).  Note that a targeted dispel will always remove yourspells cast on the rogue.Have the characters use delay to order the initiative count tobe spellcaster then combatant (with your "buddy system" inplace cleric-fighter/wizard-rogue).  This allows you to buff(or dispel) your buddy each round including the first.Have each spellcaster in sight of the other - in the event thatone rolls poorly.Expect the flayers to be hiding in inaccessable places - out ofmelee range (until most of you stop moving).Expect thralls to attempt to grapple you or otherwise foulyour spellcasting (if they are readying ranged attacks, move into cover etc. as needed before casting a spell).  Try to keepyour buddies together but the two groups on oppositesides of the battle field.Dont forget you can use a fourth level spell slot to memorizea dispel magic (along with dim door - always take one of those).An additional dm may be worth more than imp. invis. in the end.You can always cast regular invis. before the rogue's attack ifyou really want the extra dice.  Myself, I would go with anotherhaste instead (for the rogue).If you have a "good" round where none of your combatantsis charmed/stunned/etc., you might try a dispel on the flayer.Chances are better than even that it is astrally projected,and, if dispelled, it will *wink* out of existence (and wake upat home rather put out with you).  Note: By the PHB, SR doesnot apply to dispel magic attempts (too lazy to sift througherrata, FAQ and sage opinions to cross-check).Other items - make sure the fighter has a ranged weapon,have backup ranged weapons if possible (sundering thralls), don't blow out the stops (ie. casting haste) until you are certain you are facing the "real" flayers (when you start making will saves is a good clue), write as many dispel magicscrolls as you can and keep them handy, get the fly spell,carry plenty of throwable magical light if you (or your archers)dont have low light vision, and finally, after you "kill" them,always watch your back - because you only killed a projection -not the actual creature.  Oh, and don't let your DM read this. ;^)~DIf you and the cleric, through some twist of the laws ofmurphy, both fail will saves in the same round... If I were the rogue, I would have a potion of invis and a fast pair of boots - Charm is "close" range, blast is only 60', and the day I can't outrun a fighter is the day I get my brain eaten by a.... well you get the picture.</blockquote>

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