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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kerbarian" data-source="post: 2968250" data-attributes="member: 40393">AMF doesn't refer to creations -- that part's not an issue.  So you're saying that the AMF exclusion is for instantaneous conjurations with an "Effect:" entry?  WotC clearly uses "effect" in a general sense in at least some cases, but I could see the argument that AMF is referring to the "Effect:" line in spell descriptions.Okay, so the idea is that the "effect" of an instantaneous conjuration is to create an "Effect:", and the "effect" would be suppressed but the "Effect:" wouldn't?What I'm getting at is that AMF says that the "effects of instantaneous conjurations are not affected."  How do you suppress a spell without affecting its effects?  The answer could be (as I awkwardly described above) that the creation of an "Effect:" could be suppressed, but the "Effect:" itself can't be.That requires some rather careful and specific interpretations of the words used, though.  Is that what you meant?It also requires that spells have some sort of pre-effect effect which seems sortof logical, but I don't see any support for it in the rules.  Consider this case:A cleric has an AMF up.  A wizard casts a Summon Monster and attempts to summon the creature within the area of the AMF.  Obviously the creature doesn't appear, but what happens when the cleric moves away?  Does the summoned creature wink into existence?  "An antimagic field suppresses any spell ... but does not dispel it."  Based on that, I'd say the summoned creature does appear when the AMF moves away.  Do you agree?If that's the case, it means that the spell created its Effect, but the AMF suppressed it.Now consider a Wizard with an AMF up who tries to cast an Orb out of the AMF.  He successfully casts the spell, because nothing about an AMF prevents that.  However, the AMF suppresses it.  Except, what is there to suppress except the existence of the Orb?  And an AMF doesn't suppress that, per the instantaneous conjuration rule.Basically, what is there about an Orb spell to be suppressed that doesn't qualify as the effect of an instantaneous conjuration?It's an Area spell, rather than an Effect.  So by your arguments, it could not materialize within an AMF.  However, it is a Conjuration (Creation) spell with instantaneous duration.  So do you think that the lightning would hang around indefinitely after the spell is cast?This is similar to the case above for casting an Orb out of an AMF.  What is there about the Wall of Force spell to be suppressed by AMF aside from the wall itself (which isn't affected by an AMF)?</blockquote>

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