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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2970458" data-attributes="member: 2011">You cannot have it both ways.Water is non-cohesive. Splash damage for water and acid is 5 feet.So, the instant an Acid Orb hits air, it too (being a water effect) should immediately dissipate at splash rate. It should hit multiple targets, not a single one.Instead, the Orb spell maintains the cohesiveness of the Acid until it reaches its target (by using magic to do so). Hence, it is magic. And it is magic during the entire "instantaneous" effect.Ditto for a Fire Orb. The instant it is created, it should dissipate according to the "laws of physics" unless the laws of magic prevent it. You cannot swing a torch or flaming sword and fling the fire from it 30 feet, hence, you cannot do this with a 3 inch orb of fire UNLESS magic maintains the cohesiveness of the orb.You are claiming that it is no longer magical and then are also claiming that these non-solid (often liquid or gases or even magical) effects can avoid the natural properties of these types of effects. But, this is a descrepency.On the other hand, adjudicating that it is magic, instantaneous magic (i.e. the effect for all intents and purposes gets created by magic, propelled by magic instanteously to its target, and then damages the target) resolves the spash rules issue and breaks the how these effects work in the game issues.This type of adjudication especially handles Orb of Force. It is magical energy and magic keeps it together.You are using the Conjuration rule which obviously was not even looked at when the Orb spells were created to give the Orbs properties that they should not have.Either they are magic, or they are not. If not, they would not work according to the rest of the rules concerning natural effects of this nature. If so, they do not penetrate AMF.Granted, if the Orb spells stated that these effects were created in little glass orbs, then your adjudication would make some amount of sense. But, using RAW to create nonsensical effects (like the Orbs sticking around forever, being non-magical, and ignoring how these effects interact with their environment) is silly.</blockquote>

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