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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 2971852" data-attributes="member: 29252">They aren't Permanent spells, they're Instant spells; the two have very different meanings.  As things stand, Conjouration(Creation):Instant spells that make things make them stick around, too, until something else takes them down.  If you make them Permanent, then you've got some funny issues:A desert tribe uses lots of Create Water spells from 1st level Clerics to keep themselves from dying of thirst.  Someone comes along and uses Greater Dispel Magic.  They collapse into piles of dust as all the water in their bodies is dispelled.  One of them enters an Anti-Magic Field, and instantly collapses into a pile of dust as all the water in his body gets suppressed.  The Wall of Iron and Wall of Stone spells become rather easy to get rid of, rather than the imposing barriers they're kinda supposed to be.You could, I suppose, make them Permanent spells with caveats about not being subject to Dispell, Disjunction, and AMF or similar effects, but that's just awkward when we already have a nice, solid, Core definiation that does it for us and makes a modicum of sense.I was taking a literal reading of a proposed alteration and showing what, as worded, it would do in a particular direction.</blockquote>