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Any 1st level feats that give a Sorceror another spell
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<blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 3298663" data-attributes="member: 29252"><p>Is it? </p><p></p><p>My 3.5 PHB, on page 179, under Arcane Magical Writings (Wizard section, about adding spells to the spellbook) has a little itty bitty section labeled Independent Research that points you to the DMG chapter 2. On page 180, there's an identical label that points to the same chapter for divine spellcasters. For Sorcerers and Bards, though, it doesn't list independant research. On page 179, the heading "Adding Spells to a Sorcerer's or Bard's Repetoire" mentions at the end of the first paragraph that, with DM permission, the Sorcerer or bard can get new and unusual spells that they have gained some understanding of, and points to page 54 in the PHB: the Sorcerer's spellcasting description, not chapter 2 of the DMG.</p><p></p><p>In yet another spot, the Sorcerer stands out (although this time, the Bard stands in the same position).</p><p></p><p>When the same class difference shows up in more than one location, doesn't that suggest that there's actually a distinction there?</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, only the Sorcerer and Bard (of the PHB classes) learn things through study. The Wizard needs research. </p><p></p><p>Mind you, the DMs are well within their rights to do basically anything... but I'm not actually talking rule 0 here.</p><p></p><p>Explicitly. But that's reasearch, the Sorcerer description uses study. </p><p>See above. I found the same distinction in another spot. The same difference, for the same class, in a different section, worded differently. It would appear to be a consistent difference (for the Sorcerer; Bard's another story).</p><p></p><p>Might it be an overlooked class feature, rather than a copy error?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jack Simth, post: 3298663, member: 29252"] Is it? My 3.5 PHB, on page 179, under Arcane Magical Writings (Wizard section, about adding spells to the spellbook) has a little itty bitty section labeled Independent Research that points you to the DMG chapter 2. On page 180, there's an identical label that points to the same chapter for divine spellcasters. For Sorcerers and Bards, though, it doesn't list independant research. On page 179, the heading "Adding Spells to a Sorcerer's or Bard's Repetoire" mentions at the end of the first paragraph that, with DM permission, the Sorcerer or bard can get new and unusual spells that they have gained some understanding of, and points to page 54 in the PHB: the Sorcerer's spellcasting description, not chapter 2 of the DMG. In yet another spot, the Sorcerer stands out (although this time, the Bard stands in the same position). When the same class difference shows up in more than one location, doesn't that suggest that there's actually a distinction there? No, only the Sorcerer and Bard (of the PHB classes) learn things through study. The Wizard needs research. Mind you, the DMs are well within their rights to do basically anything... but I'm not actually talking rule 0 here. Explicitly. But that's reasearch, the Sorcerer description uses study. See above. I found the same distinction in another spot. The same difference, for the same class, in a different section, worded differently. It would appear to be a consistent difference (for the Sorcerer; Bard's another story). Might it be an overlooked class feature, rather than a copy error? [/QUOTE]
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