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<blockquote data-quote="pbd" data-source="post: 2363924" data-attributes="member: 20567">Werk, I wasn't taking you out of context.&nbsp; I was simply responding to your statement that any poison that &quot;outright hurts&quot; someone is evil; that is your wording, not anything about rubbing a sword in pig droppings to kill in a few days (that is in your next post), &quot;outright hurts&quot; is your wording.&nbsp; I am not trying to prove you wrong, I am just pointing out some of the ramifications of what you say.I took that statement to the next logic step and will do so again; if a poison that &quot;outright hurts&quot; someone is evil, then any similar effect would be evil.&nbsp; Most poisons do ability damage, so any spell that does ability damage (ray of enfeeblement, touch of idiocy) would also be evil.&nbsp; In addition, since you state &quot;outright hurts&quot; this could be taken as meaning does damage, so any spell or effect that does damage would also be evil.&nbsp; In addition, earlier in the post you say that &quot;as a DM, I consider poison use/possession/purchase as evil&quot;, which is a pretty blanket statement.&nbsp; You add &quot;depending&quot; but don't explain further, leaving us to infer what you mean from the rest of your post.I am just pointing out that I was not taking your post out of context and trying to make it untrue, it makes no difference to me personally if you make poison use evil in your campaign, I was just pointing out some of the possible ramifications of your statement.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pbd, post: 2363924, member: 20567"] Werk, I wasn't taking you out of context. I was simply responding to your statement that any poison that "outright hurts" someone is evil; that is your wording, not anything about rubbing a sword in pig droppings to kill in a few days (that is in your next post), "outright hurts" is your wording. I am not trying to prove you wrong, I am just pointing out some of the ramifications of what you say. I took that statement to the next logic step and will do so again; if a poison that "outright hurts" someone is evil, then any similar effect would be evil. Most poisons do ability damage, so any spell that does ability damage (ray of enfeeblement, touch of idiocy) would also be evil. In addition, since you state "outright hurts" this could be taken as meaning does damage, so any spell or effect that does damage would also be evil. In addition, earlier in the post you say that "as a DM, I consider poison use/possession/purchase as evil", which is a pretty blanket statement. You add "depending" but don't explain further, leaving us to infer what you mean from the rest of your post. I am just pointing out that I was not taking your post out of context and trying to make it untrue, it makes no difference to me personally if you make poison use evil in your campaign, I was just pointing out some of the possible ramifications of your statement. [/QUOTE]

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