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<blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 9047517" data-attributes="member: 6779310">Doubtful. More likely to produce error than anything resembling either modern orNo, they do not. Making such a claim shows a lack of knowledge of the history of the Reformation and the Catholic Counterreformation. I can disprove that claim with one historical element...The medieval church believed and taught that one could pay one's way out of purgatory by the buying of indulgences with cash. (The modern Catholic church still has indulgences, but you can't buy them - you get them by pilgrimage and penitential service. Noting that the other 20 churches in the Roman Communion don't use the term, but do have the concept.)No modern Christian church I'm aware of allows paying for indulgences, and almost all protestant denomications reject the purgatory concept, so indulgences are a non-sequiteur for the mainstream protestants. There are a dozen other issues on which the modern Catholic church differs strongly from it's medieval version... Translation of the bible, translation of the liturgy, whether minor clerics are indeed clerics or are laymen, whether torture is allowed in defense of the faith... Whether laymen can lead services of any kind... who gets to make changes to the liturgical texts and rubrics. Whether Serfdom, peonage, and slavery are allowed. See the conciliar and postconciliar documents from the councils of Trent, Vatican I, Vatican II, and the unions of Uzhorod &amp; of Brest-Litovsk....</blockquote>

[QUOTE="aramis erak, post: 9047517, member: 6779310"] Doubtful. More likely to produce error than anything resembling either modern or No, they do not. Making such a claim shows a lack of knowledge of the history of the Reformation and the Catholic Counterreformation. I can disprove that claim with one historical element... The medieval church believed and taught that one could pay one's way out of purgatory by the buying of indulgences with cash. (The modern Catholic church still has indulgences, but you can't buy them - you get them by pilgrimage and penitential service. Noting that the other 20 churches in the Roman Communion don't use the term, but do have the concept.) No modern Christian church I'm aware of allows paying for indulgences, and almost all protestant denomications reject the purgatory concept, so indulgences are a non-sequiteur for the mainstream protestants. There are a dozen other issues on which the modern Catholic church differs strongly from it's medieval version... Translation of the bible, translation of the liturgy, whether minor clerics are indeed clerics or are laymen, whether torture is allowed in defense of the faith... Whether laymen can lead services of any kind... who gets to make changes to the liturgical texts and rubrics. Whether Serfdom, peonage, and slavery are allowed. See the conciliar and postconciliar documents from the councils of Trent, Vatican I, Vatican II, and the unions of Uzhorod & of Brest-Litovsk.... [/QUOTE]

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