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<blockquote data-quote="Ashkelon" data-source="post: 6994540" data-attributes="member: 6774887">You can have class features that give advantage to certain saves like danger sense, rage, or Spell resistance. You can have proficiency in certain saves. You can have class features that affect certain saves such as the paladin's aura. You can have magic items that affect saves. You can have spells that affect saves as well. Next you have all the abilities that affect ability checks but not saving throws. Your saving throw number will rarely be equivalent to your ability check modifier. In 5e, you are really tracking 12 numbers. Your 6 numbers for saving throws and your 6 numbers for ability checks.All in all, there is more to keep track of with 6 saves than with the 3 of Fort, Reflex, and Will. It is a difference of tracking 12 things as compared to 9.&nbsp;@<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6691635" target="_blank">Zard</a>: If Fort, Reflex, and Will are used, I think they would be better served as an average of 2 ability modifiers. Fort being the average of Str and Con, Reflex being the average of Dex and Int, and Will being the average of Wis and Cha.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ashkelon, post: 6994540, member: 6774887"] You can have class features that give advantage to certain saves like danger sense, rage, or Spell resistance. You can have proficiency in certain saves. You can have class features that affect certain saves such as the paladin's aura. You can have magic items that affect saves. You can have spells that affect saves as well. Next you have all the abilities that affect ability checks but not saving throws. Your saving throw number will rarely be equivalent to your ability check modifier. In 5e, you are really tracking 12 numbers. Your 6 numbers for saving throws and your 6 numbers for ability checks. All in all, there is more to keep track of with 6 saves than with the 3 of Fort, Reflex, and Will. It is a difference of tracking 12 things as compared to 9. @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6691635"]Zard[/URL][/U][/B][/I]: If Fort, Reflex, and Will are used, I think they would be better served as an average of 2 ability modifiers. Fort being the average of Str and Con, Reflex being the average of Dex and Int, and Will being the average of Wis and Cha. [/QUOTE]

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