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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 6994547" data-attributes="member: 6716779">Well others seem to like my take on Fort/Ref/Will as well. I liked the concept from 3E just not their take on the numbers.&nbsp;I took the 3E saves, buffed the good save to +3, added a +1 medium save and the bad save was +0. I took 5E proficiency system and added them to the class saves so a fighter ends up with +9/+7/+6 as base saves.&nbsp;In 5E 90% of the saves are con/dex/wisdom anyway and most of what is left is strength with hardly any intelligence saves and a few charisma saves. &nbsp;You do not even have to add your proficiency save to the numbers as I have already done that, all you have to do is add yor abilty score modifier to 3 saves. In 5E you do that to 6 saves and add you proficiency bonus to at least 2 of them. You have an extra 3 saves to keep track of and an extra step in 5E. &nbsp;Back in the day we often memorised the 3 saves, in 5E we normally have to look at the character sheet. The save DCs are more or less the same I am adding things like a static SR roll back into the game. a 90% MR AD&amp;D monster in my game has SR of 19 which is not modified by caster level. You have to roll a 19 or higher too effect the creature with your spell. There is a spell penetration feat same as 3E but the mechanics behind SR have changed as you do not add caster level. &nbsp;Basically its a throw back and more gritty. Dragons for example will have spells as Sorcerers a'la 3.5.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 6994547, member: 6716779"] Well others seem to like my take on Fort/Ref/Will as well. I liked the concept from 3E just not their take on the numbers. I took the 3E saves, buffed the good save to +3, added a +1 medium save and the bad save was +0. I took 5E proficiency system and added them to the class saves so a fighter ends up with +9/+7/+6 as base saves. In 5E 90% of the saves are con/dex/wisdom anyway and most of what is left is strength with hardly any intelligence saves and a few charisma saves. You do not even have to add your proficiency save to the numbers as I have already done that, all you have to do is add yor abilty score modifier to 3 saves. In 5E you do that to 6 saves and add you proficiency bonus to at least 2 of them. You have an extra 3 saves to keep track of and an extra step in 5E. Back in the day we often memorised the 3 saves, in 5E we normally have to look at the character sheet. The save DCs are more or less the same I am adding things like a static SR roll back into the game. a 90% MR AD&D monster in my game has SR of 19 which is not modified by caster level. You have to roll a 19 or higher too effect the creature with your spell. There is a spell penetration feat same as 3E but the mechanics behind SR have changed as you do not add caster level. Basically its a throw back and more gritty. Dragons for example will have spells as Sorcerers a'la 3.5. [/QUOTE]

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