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<blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 3380262" data-attributes="member: 224">...which would have to survive being surround by orcs or goblins before this becomes a factor....and then he'd have to hit.&nbsp; At 2nd level he's liable to be within Crit-Kill range for the orc greataxes!&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Then there's hitting the silly buggers:Ftr 2 (Str 18) has an attack of +6 (2d4 +6); one hit, one kill, given the damage this guy's putting out.&nbsp; &quot;Orcs&quot; have an AC of 13, &quot;Goblins&quot; have an AC of 15.&nbsp; These are easy, by-the-book targets.Against the orcs, he's got a 49% chance of killing 2, 34% chance of killing 3, and 24% chance of killing 4.Against the goblins, he's got a 36% chance of killing 2, 22% chance of killing 3, and 13% chance of killing 4.Given these numbers, it's pretty easy to see that the Ftr 2 is NOT killing huge numbers of them, and that given that, the fact that the chain is a reach weapon doesn't really come into play at all.&nbsp; A Ftr with a LONGSWORD could do the same amount of Great Cleaving.&nbsp; Heck, the guy with the Longsword has an extra feat, which he could put into Weapon Focus (Longsword) and he'd be hitting more often!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nail, post: 3380262, member: 224"] ...which would have to survive being surround by orcs or goblins before this becomes a factor....and then he'd have to hit. At 2nd level he's liable to be within Crit-Kill range for the orc greataxes! :) Then there's hitting the silly buggers: Ftr 2 (Str 18) has an attack of +6 (2d4 +6); one hit, one kill, given the damage this guy's putting out. "Orcs" have an AC of 13, "Goblins" have an AC of 15. These are easy, by-the-book targets. Against the orcs, he's got a 49% chance of killing 2, 34% chance of killing 3, and 24% chance of killing 4. Against the goblins, he's got a 36% chance of killing 2, 22% chance of killing 3, and 13% chance of killing 4. Given these numbers, it's pretty easy to see that the Ftr 2 is NOT killing huge numbers of them, and that given that, the fact that the chain is a reach weapon doesn't really come into play at all. A Ftr with a LONGSWORD could do the same amount of Great Cleaving. Heck, the guy with the Longsword has an extra feat, which he could put into Weapon Focus (Longsword) and he'd be hitting more often! [/QUOTE]

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