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<blockquote data-quote="Prism" data-source="post: 6361181" data-attributes="member: 9501"><p>I walk behind a pillar while you are watching me. You can't see me and I can't see you. I am not hidden so you can hear me. You know where I am</p><p></p><p>I roll a stealth, beat your passive perception and hide. You still can't see me and I can't see you. You can't hear me either as I am hidden. You know where I am.</p><p></p><p>I move out to attack you. Maybe I 'peak', maybe I 'lean', maybe I 'step' - it doesn't really matter since you know where I am and you are possibly still looking in my direction. I am no longer hidden since I need total cover to hide and I no longer have it. I now attack</p><p></p><p>DM 1 rules that you didn't notice me step out. I get advantage on my attack roll</p><p>DM 2 rules that that you were still watching the pillar, see me step out and I get no advantage</p><p>DM 3 rules that while leaning out I am still hidden without cover and I get advantage even if you are looking at the pillar</p><p></p><p>Both DM's 1 and 2 are correct by the rules. I don't believe DM 3 is. I am more like DM 2... I think you are more like DM 1 if I understand your argument. That's why I think we both generally agree but differ on how easy this is to achieve in combat.</p><p></p><p>A rogue could do this every round with their bonus hide</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I know but I think the movement is an essential part to the hiding when trying to make use of just cover. Being heavily obscured is a different argument because your opponent typically can't see you while you can see them. You don't even need to hide</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Mike Mearls was referring to an example of a Halfling hiding behind a party member by using the hide skill and the obscurement rules not total cover. The Halfling can see the opponent, the opponent cannot see them. The Halfling does not need to step out, move or in any way reveal themselves to shoot. They simply shoot from where they are with no chance for the enemy to see them assuming they hid well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Prism, post: 6361181, member: 9501"] I walk behind a pillar while you are watching me. You can't see me and I can't see you. I am not hidden so you can hear me. You know where I am I roll a stealth, beat your passive perception and hide. You still can't see me and I can't see you. You can't hear me either as I am hidden. You know where I am. I move out to attack you. Maybe I 'peak', maybe I 'lean', maybe I 'step' - it doesn't really matter since you know where I am and you are possibly still looking in my direction. I am no longer hidden since I need total cover to hide and I no longer have it. I now attack DM 1 rules that you didn't notice me step out. I get advantage on my attack roll DM 2 rules that that you were still watching the pillar, see me step out and I get no advantage DM 3 rules that while leaning out I am still hidden without cover and I get advantage even if you are looking at the pillar Both DM's 1 and 2 are correct by the rules. I don't believe DM 3 is. I am more like DM 2... I think you are more like DM 1 if I understand your argument. That's why I think we both generally agree but differ on how easy this is to achieve in combat. A rogue could do this every round with their bonus hide I know but I think the movement is an essential part to the hiding when trying to make use of just cover. Being heavily obscured is a different argument because your opponent typically can't see you while you can see them. You don't even need to hide Mike Mearls was referring to an example of a Halfling hiding behind a party member by using the hide skill and the obscurement rules not total cover. The Halfling can see the opponent, the opponent cannot see them. The Halfling does not need to step out, move or in any way reveal themselves to shoot. They simply shoot from where they are with no chance for the enemy to see them assuming they hid well. [/QUOTE]
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