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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TDarien" data-source="post: 6361386">I pretty much agree with this. I would rule as DM 1, unless I had a good reason to rule as DM 2. Hiding several turns i a row would be one, so would a creature spending an action to search, but failing, so would readying an action to attack if you appeared. I get where your coming from, but I'm not sure that that's entirely accurate.  I think the *possibility* of movement is important.  If I hide behind a pillar, you have a pretty good idea of where I am, but you can't be positive, because I could be somewhere else.  Perhaps I teleported, or there was a secret door behind the pillar, or I climbed up it.  Because I'm hidden, you don't know for sure if I'm still there or not.  You have to check. If I wasn't hidden, you would know if I did any of those things, because you could hear me. Granted, you could (correctly) assume that I can't do any of those things, so you can be pretty confident of where I am, but you have no direct evidence of me being there because I'm hidden. (i.e. you couldn't prove to anyone else that I was there who didn't also see me hide there). And in that situation, if you were watching for me, I certainly don't think I would get advantage on an attack.True, but I think that the situation applies to a creature hiding behind a tree round after round.  The only difference being that in the pillar situation, the rogue would need to make herself visible before the attack and not a consequence of it.</blockquote>

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