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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 4995705" data-attributes="member: 4937">Why not?Then what you imagine is nothing like the usual fantasy worlds.&nbsp; Certainly, if everythinig in the fantasy world but the fighter was no harder than paper and heavier than lead, then we would be forced to rely on no weapons at all.&nbsp; But of course, in such a world weapons wouldn't even exist and no one would have thought of them.&nbsp; Everyone who relied on melee attacks would be a monk.However, this is not what fantasy worlds are like.&nbsp; We know that in fantasy worlds their exist magical metals which are much harder and stronger than the hardest steel and yet which are also lighter than aluminum.&nbsp; We also know that in such fantasy worlds, those magical materials are harder than the monk.&nbsp; The monk may well be as hard as steel, but mithril or adamantium is much harder still. That's like saying that if rifles were so important, accountants shouldn't exist.&nbsp; How does that follow?&nbsp; Mages don't strike with their fists (usually) nor are they generally melee combatants.&nbsp; They aren't competing in the same sphere as an armed and armored man.&nbsp; Why?I'm not sure I follow. I'm fully capable of accepting that in a magical world some people might have acquired the skill to be their own weapon and armor.&nbsp; That doesn't really challenge my point, which is either that monks are inferior melee combatants to fighters or else armed and armored warriors should either never come to exist or else should fade from use a sufficient time after the arts of monks were known.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 4995705, member: 4937"] Why not? Then what you imagine is nothing like the usual fantasy worlds. Certainly, if everythinig in the fantasy world but the fighter was no harder than paper and heavier than lead, then we would be forced to rely on no weapons at all. But of course, in such a world weapons wouldn't even exist and no one would have thought of them. Everyone who relied on melee attacks would be a monk. However, this is not what fantasy worlds are like. We know that in fantasy worlds their exist magical metals which are much harder and stronger than the hardest steel and yet which are also lighter than aluminum. We also know that in such fantasy worlds, those magical materials are harder than the monk. The monk may well be as hard as steel, but mithril or adamantium is much harder still. That's like saying that if rifles were so important, accountants shouldn't exist. How does that follow? Mages don't strike with their fists (usually) nor are they generally melee combatants. They aren't competing in the same sphere as an armed and armored man. Why? I'm not sure I follow. I'm fully capable of accepting that in a magical world some people might have acquired the skill to be their own weapon and armor. That doesn't really challenge my point, which is either that monks are inferior melee combatants to fighters or else armed and armored warriors should either never come to exist or else should fade from use a sufficient time after the arts of monks were known. [/QUOTE]

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