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Message: <blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 4114957" data-attributes="member: 59057">In my opinion, specialized is defined by the bonus you have:In my opinion 5 ranks is when you start becoming an expert in a skill, thus you get synergise bonuses out of it.So achieving a total bonus of 5 is the first level of specialization. (take 10 gives 15 which is already a moderate task (reducing damage when jumping from a roof etc) Take 20 already beats 25 which is not too shabby)A real NPC specialist looks like that:expert 25 ranks in his specialized skill5 ranks in at least one synergizing skill (if there is one)skill fokus specialized skill(if human maybe one of those +2/+2 feats)14 in relevant attributeso he has a bonus of at least +10 (and sometimes up to +16)Hence, the 2nd level of specialization is having a total bonus of +10 (which is take 10 to reach 20, take 20 to reach 30)Everything beyond that is real specialization, and you should not have more than 2 or 3 skills maxed (excluding necessary skills like spellcraft, concentration or perform)Edit: mogel item of *** +5 shoud not be in 4e at all. I hope they will only make you trained in one skill or sets your skill to a certain score, so that specialized characters don´t need them to compete with others who are specialized. Those 3.x magic items only lead to an arm´s race and don´t add anything to the game...</blockquote>