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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vraille Darkfang" data-source="post: 2609780" data-attributes="member: 16989">1. Slaves & Prisoners are NOT the same.  (at least in modern society).  Although Prisoner can lead to Slave, that's not the point.2. You are right about the self defence thing.  A mouse in your house can be a health issue.  I was more refering to a class of vegetarins (of which you clearly don't belong), who can't stand the fact that a living creature had to die to make a steak, yet are more than willing to poison a mole in their yard.  If you can't eat meat because of the rights of living things, you can't really justify your own whole-hearted slaughter of creatures once they inconveince you.3.  You last sentence shows your personal beliefs about why you are a vegetarian.  I wasn't targeting you.  If fact, to a degree, I agree with you.  The mass raising of animals in confined conditions soley for the purpose of getting them fat enough to slaugher I oppose.I don't mind vegetarians, just don't try to impose your beliefs upon me (i.e lecture why meat eating is evil; INFORMING me about facts are just fine.  I no longer eat poultry that could come from 'De-beaked' birds.  It was a vegan who let me in on this little 'secret' of the poultry world.Also, I hope I'm not coming off as condescending.  If you choose to be a vegetarian (however you define it, from the 'Vegan' to the Everything but Mammels) is fine by me.  I've gotten some good recipies off of veggie friends.  I'm just saying you should consider, fully, your gastronomic choice.  You've clearly done so.  I'm still evaluating mine (I.e meat good, huge factory farms bad; it leads to me having to make a lot of hard choices in order to 'Walk the Walk'.PS. Is the <a href="http://www.vegansociety.org" target="_blank">www.vegansociety.org</a> the official vegan website (i.e where they define what 'vegan' means?.  If so, you can go there to find out more about a meat/animal free lifestyle.PS2.  When does 'vegetarian' kick in for you.  Several here indicate preety much anything in the Animal Kingdom.  I know others who only kick out mammels, others who kick out killing the creatures, but their by-products (such as milk) are ok.  Others kick out mammels & birds, but fish is OK.  How low does it go?</blockquote>

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