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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ajar" data-source="post: 5593504" data-attributes="member: 85901">Hidden = silent and invisible.Cunning sneak + shadow walk is definitely a legitimate combo, it's just tricky to get. Another way to get it is to be a combination of Rogue, Warlock, and Assassin. Rogue hybrid for cunning sneak, plus Warlock or Assassin hybrid, followed by multiclassing into the other one. For example, I play a tiefling Rogue|Warlock hybrid multiclassed into Assassin. Spend your Hybrid Talent on cunning sneak, pick up your multiclass feat, and then take Cursed Shadow, which requires you to be an Assassin and Warlock and grants you shadow walk. With some planning, you can have essentially at-will stealth at level 2. The stealth check occurs at the end of the move action, so if you (for example) provoked an opportunity attack during the move, it would still occur normally -- even if you had moved 3 squares and had concealment before the move was over (though note that an attacking enemy would take a -2 penalty from your concealment). I don't see any basis in the rules for making the stealth check apply to the move retroactively. That would invalidate the various powers that allow you to remain hidden even if you would normally lose the hidden status (e.g. by walking directly across someone's LoS without concealment). If you're already hidden, that's different. If you triggered CS+SW at the end of your last turn, then take a move action at the beginning of your current turn, you've still got concealment, which means you stay hidden unless someone's perception beat your stealth between your last turn and this one. That allows you to walk right past someone during the move without provoking an opportunity attack.</blockquote>

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