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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6571013" data-attributes="member: 996">Unless the same change is made to monsters &amp; NPCs, it has no effect on PC casters, at all.And all casters get their full proficiency bonus to their save DCs, regardless of class level, 'caster level' (not really a thing in 5e, but I'm too used to 3.5 not to mention it), or spell level.&nbsp; In 3.5, not being a full caster meant having lower save DCs because you cast lower level spells, in 5e that's not an issue.&nbsp;Doesn't seem like it's a terribly important aspect of making lower stats viable.&nbsp; For one thing, there are /many/ useful spells that don't give saves, anyway.&nbsp; For another, 5e has a stat cap and fairly generous stat increases, so if you are intent on casting spells that need a caster stat for DCs or attack rolls, you're probably going to invest in that stat, whether some of your targets might have proficient saves or not.&nbsp; Finally, giving proficiency in all saves would go a long way towards making lower stats viable for /everyone/, not just half-casters.&nbsp; Even if the fear were better-founded, it'd be well worth it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6571013, member: 996"] Unless the same change is made to monsters & NPCs, it has no effect on PC casters, at all. And all casters get their full proficiency bonus to their save DCs, regardless of class level, 'caster level' (not really a thing in 5e, but I'm too used to 3.5 not to mention it), or spell level. In 3.5, not being a full caster meant having lower save DCs because you cast lower level spells, in 5e that's not an issue. Doesn't seem like it's a terribly important aspect of making lower stats viable. For one thing, there are /many/ useful spells that don't give saves, anyway. For another, 5e has a stat cap and fairly generous stat increases, so if you are intent on casting spells that need a caster stat for DCs or attack rolls, you're probably going to invest in that stat, whether some of your targets might have proficient saves or not. Finally, giving proficiency in all saves would go a long way towards making lower stats viable for /everyone/, not just half-casters. Even if the fear were better-founded, it'd be well worth it. [/QUOTE]

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