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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nonlethal Force" data-source="post: 2670527" data-attributes="member: 35788">I would add, however, that if you are thinking of multiclassing into an arcane order - ask yourself if you wouldn't just be better off going straight other arcane class without the bard.  The bard's spell list is very limited and already duplicated for the most part by another arcanist.  So instead of overlapping the lower levels spells, you could have advanced and gotten the higher level spells.That also really makes me wonder if it also wouldn't be better to do a melee/sorcerer build over a melee/bard build.  The reason I say this is because once a melee starts - nobody in their right mind is going to want to stow their weapon and draw their instrument.  [Unless you are ultra cheesey and take something like Perform(oratory) - which doesn't make sense.  Who can perform an oratory while hefting weapons around, blocking, and swinging?  Anyway, I digress]  So as soon as you go melee you've really established that you're a sub-par melee (because of the multiclass) OR you're a sub-par bard (because of the multi-class) but never can you be both at the same time.Multi-classing into a ranged makes more sense, because there you can interchange your instrument and weapon without much fear.Multi-classing into cleric is alright, but there again I have to ask if you are going to go cleric, why not go the whole way?  Clerics get great buffs and they have the armor.  So about the only thing that a bard can do that a straight cleric can't (through a spell) is the bardic knowledge checks (and a few higher skillpoints).  So in my mind, a bard/cleric would may well be better off to be just a cleric.Druid multi-class could have advantages, but there again you are setting up a one-or-the-other scenario.  You either shapeshift or you play an instrument.My point is that the bard's talents are intentionally unique.  Many other classes can multi-class easily because their talents are similar to others and therefore they can mix and match in commonly shared situations.  The bard's talents are so unique ... I honestly think multi-classing is better done using a different base than the bard.Now, PrC are a totally diferent story - especially PrC that are geared for the bard and thus increase your bardic music/bardic knowledge.  Those - go ahead right on!And, as always, this is my opinion on the rules.  Others will see it differently.  And, much of it is flavor - so if you are looking for a singing fighter, then do it regardless of if there is a better build out there.  In the games I DM, I'd rather have a player play a character that "feels right" than one that is min/maxed.As I said earlier, good luck!</blockquote>

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