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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lord Ben" data-source="post: 144257" data-attributes="member: 1396">Okay, in the temple they have lots of NPC's with like +4 to hit and all the PC's by this time are 10th level with AC25 or so.  How do you make it so that the PC's are challenged?   One thing I do it liberal use of potions of heroism and haste, and also give them say 4 more strength or dex.  That seems to at least bring them to where they can get hits on other then nat 20's.  As soon as I flank they bust out the cleaves and they die like the scum they are.Are they just supposed to be fodder and I should deal with it or am I missing some good tactics?  I thought about nets, etc but you can only use those once or twice and they become boring.  Anyone have any tricks they use that don't raise the CR but make them tougher?   I mean besides using SHARK's Hobgoblins... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>