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<blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 5301792" data-attributes="member: 15538"><p>Oh, I don't think the ToB is unbalanced, especially. The crew on the Optimization Board at wizards.com came up with some interesting tests, and the Warblade barely edged out the Fighter, who outperformed the Barbarian, in most likely scenarios, assuming standard equipment. The "balance" issue is that the Warblade has better skill access, while being equivalent or slightly superior to a fighter in melee. </p><p></p><p>I object purely to the idea of a fighter cleaving an adamantine wall in one hit, as a storytelling element. It's like a wizard winning an arm-wrestling match with an ogre without using a spell. It's not any more ridiculous in scale than a lot of other elements, but the imagery and rationale don't fit in many settings. </p><p></p><p>In Forgotten Realms, obscene power is what magic does, while in Krynn, it's divine intervention. Dark Sun doesn't have much in the way of PC superheroics. Eberron assumes a fairly down-to-earth power scale for ordinary mortal creatures. </p><p></p><p>Now, d20 Exalted... there, fighers cleaving indestructible walls in half with bo sticks and wizards armwrestling 10' ogres are just par for the course.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pawsplay, post: 5301792, member: 15538"] Oh, I don't think the ToB is unbalanced, especially. The crew on the Optimization Board at wizards.com came up with some interesting tests, and the Warblade barely edged out the Fighter, who outperformed the Barbarian, in most likely scenarios, assuming standard equipment. The "balance" issue is that the Warblade has better skill access, while being equivalent or slightly superior to a fighter in melee. I object purely to the idea of a fighter cleaving an adamantine wall in one hit, as a storytelling element. It's like a wizard winning an arm-wrestling match with an ogre without using a spell. It's not any more ridiculous in scale than a lot of other elements, but the imagery and rationale don't fit in many settings. In Forgotten Realms, obscene power is what magic does, while in Krynn, it's divine intervention. Dark Sun doesn't have much in the way of PC superheroics. Eberron assumes a fairly down-to-earth power scale for ordinary mortal creatures. Now, d20 Exalted... there, fighers cleaving indestructible walls in half with bo sticks and wizards armwrestling 10' ogres are just par for the course. [/QUOTE]
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