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<blockquote data-quote="Daedrova" data-source="post: 894402" data-attributes="member: 11835">Yes, I am also hoping that there will be worth while changes to the spell list.&nbsp; Of the D&amp;D campaigns I have played in so far, I have had the chance to play a Paladin once.&nbsp; I really like their abilities, and I must say that the character I played was extremely effective against evil, so I can't complain that not many other changes are being made.&nbsp; Although I'm still not sure if they will be changing the fact that they get no additional abilities other than remove disease at higher level...&nbsp; Aside from his spells, but by the time a Paladin does receive his spells, they don’t seem to be very affective.&nbsp; There were uses for them, occasionally, but more often than not I ended a day of adventure having only used cure spells.&nbsp; For that matter, I do not see why a level is skipped for the cure spells, going from cure light at 1st, to cure moderate only at 3rd.&nbsp; The weak NPC Paladin from the DMG has 76 hp by 11th level, which is the first level he can even cast it, provided he has the Wisdom for the bonus spell and chooses to memorize just that... 2d8+5.... at 11th level, once/day (while at that same level the cleric can now cast heal).&nbsp; That is about equal to one successful blow against him, by a large weapon (great sword etc.) or creature.&nbsp; Is there any reason to not give them the possibility to cast it as the second level spell that it is?&nbsp; He will still have to wait until 8th level.&nbsp; I think it would be nice to give them some of the &quot;buff&quot; spells as well though.&nbsp; That would be the greatest thing to do for their second level spells which, I must agree, are severely lacking.&nbsp; By the way, from what was printed in the Dragon Magazine, I do really like what they have done with the Ranger and Barbarian.&nbsp; I wasn't sure if I was going to buy the 3.5 books when they come out, but if I see many more similar positive changes I will be much more inclined. Dragon did say that Paladins would also be seeing changes to their spell list, but there was of course nothing specifically mentioned.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Daedrova, post: 894402, member: 11835"] Yes, I am also hoping that there will be worth while changes to the spell list. Of the D&D campaigns I have played in so far, I have had the chance to play a Paladin once. I really like their abilities, and I must say that the character I played was extremely effective against evil, so I can't complain that not many other changes are being made. Although I'm still not sure if they will be changing the fact that they get no additional abilities other than remove disease at higher level... Aside from his spells, but by the time a Paladin does receive his spells, they don’t seem to be very affective. There were uses for them, occasionally, but more often than not I ended a day of adventure having only used cure spells. For that matter, I do not see why a level is skipped for the cure spells, going from cure light at 1st, to cure moderate only at 3rd. The weak NPC Paladin from the DMG has 76 hp by 11th level, which is the first level he can even cast it, provided he has the Wisdom for the bonus spell and chooses to memorize just that... 2d8+5.... at 11th level, once/day (while at that same level the cleric can now cast heal). That is about equal to one successful blow against him, by a large weapon (great sword etc.) or creature. Is there any reason to not give them the possibility to cast it as the second level spell that it is? He will still have to wait until 8th level. I think it would be nice to give them some of the "buff" spells as well though. That would be the greatest thing to do for their second level spells which, I must agree, are severely lacking. By the way, from what was printed in the Dragon Magazine, I do really like what they have done with the Ranger and Barbarian. I wasn't sure if I was going to buy the 3.5 books when they come out, but if I see many more similar positive changes I will be much more inclined. Dragon did say that Paladins would also be seeing changes to their spell list, but there was of course nothing specifically mentioned. [/QUOTE]

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