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<blockquote data-quote="Shade" data-source="post: 3714147" data-attributes="member: 287">My greatest wish for the 4e ogre mage is that they'd just roll it in with the other oni when they get around to introducing them.&nbsp;&nbsp; No argument there.&nbsp; But if &quot;better&quot; simply means &quot;simpler&quot; or &quot;single-encounter based&quot;, then no, I won't agree.I'll definitely agree that the disciple of Thoon and shadow flayers weren't variant enough or very interesting, but the madcrafters and Thoon elder brain really push the illithid concept in new directions.Oddly, the new design paradigm seems to favor the one-trick routine monsters, so the mind flayer would seem to fit right in.I've never really understood why folks dislike the mind flayer.&nbsp;&nbsp; They have a very clear role, are good at what they do, and are loaded with intersting flavor and backstory.&nbsp;&nbsp; They render prey helpless and eat their brains, and are well-equipped to do so.&nbsp;&nbsp; What's the problem?&nbsp;&nbsp; I&quot;m genuinely curious.&nbsp;&nbsp; Every encounter I've run with mind flayers in each edition of the game has been a successful, memorable experience.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shade, post: 3714147, member: 287"] My greatest wish for the 4e ogre mage is that they'd just roll it in with the other oni when they get around to introducing them. No argument there. But if "better" simply means "simpler" or "single-encounter based", then no, I won't agree. I'll definitely agree that the disciple of Thoon and shadow flayers weren't variant enough or very interesting, but the madcrafters and Thoon elder brain really push the illithid concept in new directions. Oddly, the new design paradigm seems to favor the one-trick routine monsters, so the mind flayer would seem to fit right in. I've never really understood why folks dislike the mind flayer. They have a very clear role, are good at what they do, and are loaded with intersting flavor and backstory. They render prey helpless and eat their brains, and are well-equipped to do so. What's the problem? I"m genuinely curious. Every encounter I've run with mind flayers in each edition of the game has been a successful, memorable experience. [/QUOTE]

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