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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 1771480" data-attributes="member: 478">Yep, because the sorcerer needs those feats to get even (i.e. Heighten to raise the DC, which the psion gets for free (when using the equivalent of a higher level slot) with many powers), the psion can do some of that stuff without even spending a feat and has bonus feats (only one of those is needed for Psionic Meditation, which the sorcerer does not need, of course). Both can spend the same feat on Empower or Maximize or Focus/Endowment or Penetration or whatever. The psion still has feats left over after that, even moreso, if the sorcerer picks up Silent or Heighten or Energy Affinity, which I (and many others judging from the "what feats to pick for a sorcerer" threads) consider to be pretty good feat choices for a sorcerer. Since some of the best powers are on the discipline lists, these extra feats can be used to alleviate the psion's restriction when picking powers, for example.I'd gladly swap in all the free metamagic (Heighten, Still, Silent, Energy Affinity) for the ability to use multiple* of those at a time. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />In some situations the better stacking of feats is a boon, but often one of those is enough to use, anyways, and please don't forget, that the psion's feats while they don't stack so well, are also much more powerful (especially Endowment and Penetration). So, for example, the sorcerer could use Focus and Penetration and Empower against a target, but if it's most important to get through the SR, using Power Penetration only with the +8 for the greater version is also a very good choice (making it 20% !! more likely to get any effect at all, while the effect of the sorcerer's spell, thanks to empower, is slightly higher (augmentation (and the +1 per damage die for fire/cold energy) instead of paying the "+2 spell levels" cost needed for Empower makes up for this difference to a degree)), though the save DC is probably higher (or at least equal) for the psion's spell even when comparing with Focus (or you lose the Empower benefit), since metamagic (cept Heighten) does not raise the save DC. Not to mention, that lightning energy also adds to DC/penetration (in exchange for the +1 per damage die, tho), if needed.As you see, there are quite a few tradeoffs for both sides (unlike you try to show with your pretty one-sided statement <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />).So yes, I really don't think the sorcerer is at an advantage here, all things considered.ByeThaneeP.S. * Using multiple metamagics at a time is probably the most inefficient usage of a high level spell slot (right after using them for 0th level spells <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />), anyways, since they all count from the base spell only. I think you were one of the people who have stated that, when talking about how bad metamagic is. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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