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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Steverooo" data-source="post: 1562570" data-attributes="member: 9410">There's No "Prestige" In'em!I, too, am tired of Prestige Classes...  Have been almost since the first time I saw one...I really do not believe that players want to play a Barbarian/Fighter/Ranger/Rogue/Guild Thief, but that they want a tough thug who is fast, fights two-fisted, has better HP and more Feats, and is backed by the guild...Now if the base classes allowed for this, there would be no need for so-called Prestige Classes.  But they don't, so we're stuck with'em, at least until 4e.One of the problems with Prestige Classes is that a PC must give up their "Base Class" to become it.  Not good, IMHO.  This should be fixed, with more class flexibility.Also, "Prestige Classes" just aren't prestigious.  Back in the 1e days, becoming a Knight of the Hart WAS prestigious, because you had to EARN it (the old-fashioned way!)!  Nowadays, you have to start preparing at level one (or wait much longer than necessary), and the King can't simply award it to you for "Service to the Crown", because you don't have "the right Feats" and four Ranks of Knowledge (Nobility & Royalty), or whatever!SHEESH!What I'd like to see:1) Base Character Classes are flexible enough that you can create a strong, fast, high HP guild thief (with fewer skill ranks) who can Rage, and fight two-fisted, and never have to leave his class (whether that be fighter, rogue, barbarian, or Ranger).  Also, PCs WITHOUT "Prestige Classes" should be just as powerful as ones WITH them.2) Prestige Classes should be prestigious, and earned through in-game play.  Having the pre-requisite Feats shouldn't be enough...  If you want to know the secrets of lost Atlantis, you should have to gain water-breathing magics, go there, brave the dangers, and make the rolls to learn what you can.  When you return (assuming you were at all successful), you should gain some prestige, with the amount depending upon the knowledge you display.Your Mileage May Vary...</blockquote>

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