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Anyone else hoping that the next campaign book WotC releases is 15th to 20th levels?
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<blockquote data-quote="Charles Rampant" data-source="post: 6910408" data-attributes="member: 32659"><p>...you think that Goblins would be an interesting opponent at level 15? I mean, Bounded Accuracy is fun and all, but it has limits. I think a fight where all the party needs to do is let the Cleric cast one spell then walk towards the enemy in order to win would lack a certain something. I think that you're betraying a fundamental misunderstanding of the monster range in 5e. Elementals? 5-7 CR. Giants? 5-11ish CR. Drow? 1/8 - 7ish CR. None of these guys are really going to challenge 15th level characters, except in huge numbers. </p><p></p><p>Let's talk about the themes that you suggested. For Dragons, you would be needing to either face multiple Ancient Dragons, or you would be fighting a <em>lot</em> of Adult dragons. Sure, you could suggest that 'Giants' would be a good high level campaign theme. But, unless you particularly fancy fighting sixty of the buggers, they just won't be able to do the job. Elemental Evil? Well, uh, Elementals are CR 5 like I say. </p><p></p><p>I would suggest that in 5e, at least, all of these ideas work perfectly at the mid level, probably by design. Your claim that they would make more sense at high levels just doesn't match how the MM presents these guys. Perhaps that is because D&D high levels just don't match the fantasy source material, really, and belong to a different game entirely, albeit one that we're not given the tools to flesh out.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Charles Rampant, post: 6910408, member: 32659"] ...you think that Goblins would be an interesting opponent at level 15? I mean, Bounded Accuracy is fun and all, but it has limits. I think a fight where all the party needs to do is let the Cleric cast one spell then walk towards the enemy in order to win would lack a certain something. I think that you're betraying a fundamental misunderstanding of the monster range in 5e. Elementals? 5-7 CR. Giants? 5-11ish CR. Drow? 1/8 - 7ish CR. None of these guys are really going to challenge 15th level characters, except in huge numbers. Let's talk about the themes that you suggested. For Dragons, you would be needing to either face multiple Ancient Dragons, or you would be fighting a [i]lot[/i] of Adult dragons. Sure, you could suggest that 'Giants' would be a good high level campaign theme. But, unless you particularly fancy fighting sixty of the buggers, they just won't be able to do the job. Elemental Evil? Well, uh, Elementals are CR 5 like I say. I would suggest that in 5e, at least, all of these ideas work perfectly at the mid level, probably by design. Your claim that they would make more sense at high levels just doesn't match how the MM presents these guys. Perhaps that is because D&D high levels just don't match the fantasy source material, really, and belong to a different game entirely, albeit one that we're not given the tools to flesh out. [/QUOTE]
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