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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 4165993" data-attributes="member: 18">They didn't? Really? I read that book probably more than two decades ago but I remember exciting multi-form shapeshifting like Hercules wrestling with Proteus, do I misremember?Ged, who is more archetypical than pretty much any wizard other than Merlin and Gandalf, was certainly a capable, rapid, shapeshifter.So I'd have to concur with those who say that shapeshifting is fundamental to the magic of the "wise man", to the Wizard, the Shaman, the Druid. However, I think the real problem with both sides on this argument is that we fundamentally don't know if any of the spells being discussed are in 4E in a meaningful way. Counterspell could be out or in, implemented cool-ly or idiotically, we just don't know. Similarly, many intelligent suggestions for good, workable implementations of Polymorph, whether with specific forms with specific effects, or as a ritual spell, or what-have-you. All that's cool, and demonstrates imagination, but we have no idea if that's actually in the game.At this stage, given the info WotC has released the general style/tenor of 4E (that's actually pretty apparent), I'm guessing, and it's just a guess, that Wizard cannot in any meaningful way "shapeshift". They may be able to transform others, but themselves? I'll be surprised. Further, I don't think we'll see any particularly cool, broad, or ritual-based shapeshifting. Hopefully I'm horribly wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.</blockquote>

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