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Message: <blockquote data-quote="apoptosis" data-source="post: 4166208" data-attributes="member: 3226">A valid point definitely but I would think the rebuttal would be, then D&D is no longer the game that allows us to imitate a particular troupe it once did (i might be using troupe incorrectly).For me this traditional fantasy fiction while not actually all that traditional is what I (an others) are looking for from a fantasy system so it is a bit of a loss.Conversely the new game might generate new 'troupes' (probably still using the word incorrectly, frankly i am worried i just made it up as the spelling looks wrong) but I generally don't think this will be the case.Not because of any issue with 4e itself but because our imagined traditional fantasy was created when there were so few games around that the games that did exist had a strong effect in sculpting our views. Now when there are so many RPGs out there, when a new game  is launched i would think its effect on this 'Jungian' idea of fantasy is probably much less (i could be wrong in this hypothesis and possibly WoW and anime would be a good argument against this as they have probably had a huge impact in reimagining fantasy )</blockquote>