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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 5227106" data-attributes="member: 82504">You will have to explain how you are going to fullfill defender battle role from range? I think you are just suffering "class name envy".   You might explain while you are at it exactly why you think a ranger class or warlord class cant either be great Longbowman (note a ranger is in fact a picture perfect English Yeoman (heavily trained country bumpkin whose main activity when not fighting was probably hunting) - Longbowman but that is historical perspective - so you must be referring to a fantasy archetype but I just cant find it in fiction either.  I suggest that Robinhood would be great as a hybrid ranger warlord and would have worked fine as just a ranger ...as would William Tell and other archer named heros like Ullyses is a full stop Archer Warlord.  Aragorn the archetypal ranger feels great as Half-Elf Warlord Multiclassed Ranger in 4e.Here is an example of a passing fair fighter with a long bow at level 1 he is actually a generalist fighter quite competent close and competent ranged [sblock=Elven Longbowmen classname envy included]level 1Elf, FighterFighter: Combat SuperiorityFighter Talents: Tempest TechniqueFINAL ABILITY SCORESStr 16, Con 12, Dex 18, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 8.STARTING ABILITY SCORESStr 16, Con 12, Dex 16, Int 10, Wis 12, Cha 8.AC: 18 Fort: 15 Reflex: 15 Will: 12HP: 27 Surges: 10 Surge Value: 6TRAINED SKILLSEndurance +5, Heal +7, Athletics +7UNTRAINED SKILLSAcrobatics +5, Arcana, Bluff -1, Diplomacy -1, Dungeoneering +2, History, Insight +2, Intimidate -1, Nature +4, Perception +4, Religion, Stealth +3, Streetwise -1, Thievery +3FEATSLevel 1: Midnight Blade StudentPOWERSFighter at-will 1: Footwork LureFighter at-will 1: Dual StrikeFighter encounter 1: Surprising StabFighter daily 1: Lasting ThreatITEMSHide Armor, Short sword (2), Adventurer's Kit, Longbow, Arrows (60)[/sblock] This character in a fight is more of a specialist Longbowman and will skip out of reach by preference... This adventurers son spent the better part of his childhood without direct adult supervision but was never even tempted to go the bad side too many dreams of being a hero but still got tough savvy and a bit obnoxious on the streets (though when dad was around did get to hear many many stories of Dungeon runs). The town guard rather adopted him after they realized he was a crackshot with a bow, thinking it would be fun to lord him over the yeomanry.The towns guardsman outfitted him with the same armor and bow that they provide the country bumpkins (hunters).- A nice thick boiled leather with studs. Note he would make a poor scout and only knows the difference between a deer and horse because somebody ran him over with a horse once and the yeomen frequently hang the others up to drain he might well confuse a doe with a horse though as he was more interested in tavern tales than huntsmans tales about the buck that got away.[sblock= Longbowman built without class name envy ]level 1Human, RangerBuild: Archer RangerFighting Style: Archer Fighting StyleRanger: Prime ShotBackground: Street Urchin, Adventurer's Scion (Street Urchin Benefit)FINAL ABILITY SCORESStr 13, Con 13, Dex 16, Int 10, Wis 16, Cha 8.STARTING ABILITY SCORESStr 11, Con 13, Dex 16, Int 10, Wis 16, Cha 8.AC: 16 Fort: 13 Reflex: 15 Will: 14HP: 30 Surges: 7 Surge Value: 7TRAINED SKILLSPerception +10, Dungeoneering +8, Streetwise +5, Intimidate +5, Athletics +5, Endurance +5UNTRAINED SKILLSAcrobatics +2, Arcana, Bluff -1, Diplomacy -1, Heal +3, History, Insight +3, Nature +3, Religion, Stealth +2, Thievery +2FEATSHuman: ToughnessLevel 1: Adamant Arrow StudentPOWERSBonus At-Will Power: Fading StrikeRanger at-will 1: Twin StrikeRanger at-will 1: Nimble StrikeRanger encounter 1: Evasive StrikeRanger daily 1: Guardian ArrowITEMSHide Armor, Adventurer's Kit, Longbow, Longsword[/sblock]He is one feat away from chain if he wants... maybe they even wanted to provide him with chain but he always found it uncomfortable and stripped it down to the underlying leather.How many dozens of ways of building a swashbuckler do you need.   Here is a near perfect <a href="http://community.wizards.com/wiki/Dnd:Zorro" target="_blank">Zorro.</a></blockquote>

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