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<blockquote data-quote="Jhaelen" data-source="post: 5227266" data-attributes="member: 46713">I don't visit the CO boards but I've been looking at guides when someone links to them here.While guides may indeed be helpful, they can also have a detrimental effect: Many players treat them as gospel and stop thinking for themselves. Anything that isn't an option recommended by a guide is considered a non-choice.See, optimizing characters is fun. Heck, I'm doing it myself! However, for me the enjoyment comes from discovering good options myself. Using 'Build X' someone else has come up with isn't satisfying for me.Also, if you're overdoing it, the game suffers. If the pcs are *too* optimized, the DM will adjust his encounters until the optimized party is 'properly' challenged again. It's an arms' race the players cannot ever win. And what if one of the players is not interested in optimizing? If everyone else is optimizing, the player's enjoyment will be diminished if the encounters are too tough for his pc.So, in conclusion: Yes, I am very skeptical of the CO boards. That doesn't mean that everything they're doing is necessarily bad. It's similar to my opinion of the church... (but that's a topic better not discussed here).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jhaelen, post: 5227266, member: 46713"] I don't visit the CO boards but I've been looking at guides when someone links to them here. While guides may indeed be helpful, they can also have a detrimental effect: Many players treat them as gospel and stop thinking for themselves. Anything that isn't an option recommended by a guide is considered a non-choice. See, optimizing characters is fun. Heck, I'm doing it myself! However, for me the enjoyment comes from discovering good options myself. Using 'Build X' someone else has come up with isn't satisfying for me. Also, if you're overdoing it, the game suffers. If the pcs are *too* optimized, the DM will adjust his encounters until the optimized party is 'properly' challenged again. It's an arms' race the players cannot ever win. And what if one of the players is not interested in optimizing? If everyone else is optimizing, the player's enjoyment will be diminished if the encounters are too tough for his pc. So, in conclusion: Yes, I am very skeptical of the CO boards. That doesn't mean that everything they're doing is necessarily bad. It's similar to my opinion of the church... (but that's a topic better not discussed here). [/QUOTE]

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