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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Verision" data-source="post: 5228590" data-attributes="member: 72236">I honestly have no idea what your point is. My problem was that I wanted to play by the rules and the rules didn't work. By the rules, in a skill challenge, you need to get X number of successful skill checks before Y number of failed checks. My PCs were failing checks, even though they were rolling well, because the DCs were too high.Then the errata came out and I had the opposite problem; skill challenges weren't challenging because my PCs could roll poorly and still pass the DC. Honestly, how you handle skill challenges doesn't make any difference to what I'm talking about. My whole point was that when 4e came out, I wanted to play completely by the book for a change. So that's what my group tried, and it didn't work because the rules were broken.Also, you seem to think that all my PCs are doing is saying "I'll try a Diplomacy check. [rolls dice] Is an 18 high enough?". That's not what's going on. There needs to be roleplaying on top of the roll-playing. But, the "by the book" mechanics still need a check, no matter how well the PC roleplayed the situation. Sure, good roleplaying can be rewarded by a bonus to a check, or by a reroll, but if the player needs to roll a 19 just to pass the DC on a "level appropriate challenge" then the rules are broken.The errata is also broken, for the opposite reason.Yes, skill challenges can be handled differently then the "by the book" method. That's what I now do, because the by the book method didn't work.Finally, I don't think you understand what "teaching someone to suck eggs" means. It means that you shouldn't offer advise on a subject to someone that is an expert in that subject. By saying "Sorry if I'm trying to teach you to suck eggs" you are saying that you're sorry to offer advise to me on a subject that I am an expert in. But then you go on to offer me a whole boatload of advise, so.....what?<a href="http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/teach+your+grandmother+to+suck+eggs.html" target="_blank">Teach your grandmother to suck eggs - Idiom Definition - UsingEnglish.com</a></blockquote>

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