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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Goonalan" data-source="post: 5228668" data-attributes="member: 16069">Sorry about the english idiom- what I was trying to say is okay, the skill challenges are broken twice over, for your group, then what...Yes that makes the rules broken but the point is the rules are not set in stone, if they don't work then fix them. Games Designers can't guarantee to get everything right for all of the people all of the time- you seem angry that the numbers don't work for you... I'm suggesting that that still leaves 99% of the rules unbroken and okay, if this is the case then surely this is great- I remember how bad some of the rules were in previous editions, if the 4e skill challenges are they only that doesn't work for you then that's great.The other stuff was me trying, but failing, to say that role-playing is the answer, give bonuses- that's in the rules, I don't have my rulebooks to hand but I'm sure somewhere it says something like-Reward roleplaying and give bonuses for good play.And/or These rules are guidelines, feel free to adjust to make the game work for you.Which it seems you have done, and got them to work- which is great.Teaching grandmother to suck eggs is an English language saying, meaning that a person is giving advice to someone else about a subject that they already know about (and probably more than the first person)[1]Which is why in my initial post I said 'sorry if I am trying to teach you to suck eggs'- I was apologising in advance for giving you the advise, that you perhaps already knew.I have a Master's Degree in English and am working towards my Doctorate. I'm fairly certain I understand the phrase in question, particularly as I've just had a look at the OED and Websters to make sure.Once again I was not attempting to rile you I was perhaps a little forthright, at the end of the day you seem IMHO to be angry that they have got the Skill Challenges wrong. I'm saying there are enough caveats within the rules to allow you to give ad hoc bonuses, to reward role-play and good ideas to make them work- if you wanted to; and that they probably do work for other people (I've not changed them, or even read the errata).Apologies, again, if I have offended- previously, or above.I love 4e, I don't like Skill Challenges as much as some other components, but I understand how they can be used to get the PCs to where they need to be.Have a wonderful day.</blockquote>

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