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Message: <blockquote data-quote="billd91" data-source="post: 5520783" data-attributes="member: 3400">I'm not so sure about that. I suspect there are variations in casual players ranging from knowing the rules and the character sheet well enough but not putting in any effort outside of the game and not taking it particularly seriously, to not putting in any effort to even master the rules but enjoying the experience of sitting around the table and slinging dice.In the 3.5 game I've run over the last several years I have two players I would definitely call casual. One knows his character and the rules pretty well but I never get the impression he does a whit about RPGs outside of game time. He's more into war games. The other one plays quite a few RPGs, has run some before, has played incarnations of D&D since the 1970s, but hasn't really spent any effort on 3.5 and has trouble with the basic mechanics. Based on my experiences, I don't think it's at all unfair to consider a mechanically inept player a casual player. I believe they're simply an example of a type of casual player - one with a casual-enough approach to not build a proficiency with the rules.</blockquote>