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<blockquote data-quote="The Crimson Binome" data-source="post: 7083617" data-attributes="member: 6775031">I'm not a particular fan of clerics, no. As soon as you put divine magic into a setting, then you have suddenly established as a fact that the gods definitely exist, which means faith can't possibly be a thing and the entire world is significantly changed.It's the same thing with bards. Once you establish that bards are magic, and that their magic is different than the magic of wizards or clerics, then you've raised the bar on how fantastic the world is. Again. You've moved it further away from reality, and made it that much harder to take things seriously.Different people have different thresholds for how high of a fantasy they can tolerate. Most people can accept wizards, because they're traditional. Many people are okay with clerics, because they've been around for so long, though it's not uncommon to see a setting where clerics use the same type of magic as wizards and simply choose to learn different spells. A significant number of people think that clerics and the gods cross the line.Of the people who accept wizards and clerics, as different things that both exist within the same setting, not all of them are willing to suspend disbelief even further to also accommodate bards. Or druids. Or warlocks. Or psychics. Or incarnum-wielders. Or whatever else you want to pour on top of the setting. No matter what you want to add, there's going to be someone who thinks that crosses the line.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Crimson Binome, post: 7083617, member: 6775031"] I'm not a particular fan of clerics, no. As soon as you put divine magic into a setting, then you have suddenly established as a fact that the gods definitely exist, which means faith can't possibly be a thing and the entire world is significantly changed. It's the same thing with bards. Once you establish that bards are magic, [I]and[/I] that their magic is different than the magic of wizards or clerics, then you've raised the bar on how fantastic the world is. Again. You've moved it further away from reality, and made it that much harder to take things seriously. Different people have different thresholds for how high of a fantasy they can tolerate. Most people can accept wizards, because they're traditional. Many people are okay with clerics, because they've been around for so long, though it's not uncommon to see a setting where clerics use the same type of magic as wizards and simply choose to learn different spells. A significant number of people think that clerics and the gods cross the line. Of the people who accept wizards [I]and[/I] clerics, as different things that [I]both[/I] exist within the same setting, not all of them are willing to suspend disbelief even further to [I]also[/I] accommodate bards. Or druids. Or warlocks. Or psychics. Or incarnum-wielders. Or whatever [I]else[/I] you want to pour on top of the setting. No matter what you want to add, there's going to be [I]someone[/I] who thinks that crosses the line. [/QUOTE]

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