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<blockquote data-quote="Warpiglet" data-source="post: 7084161" data-attributes="member: 6689161">I am sorry I hurt your feelings.&nbsp; I do not like bards.&nbsp; If you look at my reasoning related to character design and archetypes back further, you will see that my opinion was not synonymous with giving you a wedgie and mocking you personally for playing a fantasy game.&nbsp; I also noted that I considered playing one and did not like the imagery and so backed out.&nbsp; It just was not for me.I think your point about music/lyrics is reasonable.&nbsp; Yet, I did not enjoy the lyrics in the LOTR books much and found them a distraction (oh the heresy!).&nbsp; I cannot think of many instances of characters throwing flashy spells while playing an instrument and singing (not required, but is present in most artist representations of bard and you can use your instrument as a focus).&nbsp; As a result, I am not &quot;into&quot; the bard, no matter the literary or intellectual gymnastics that would make them more palatable for me.&nbsp; I have even thought about Jungian archetypes a bit.&nbsp; Nevertheless, I still do not think bards are very&nbsp; immersive for the campaigns in which I have participated.As a side note your post is really rude and condescending.&nbsp; If someone DID give you a wedgie for playing D&amp;D, it was not me.&nbsp; I was too busy playing D&amp;D.&nbsp; I looked at my previous posts.&nbsp; I don't like the same thing as you.&nbsp; The difference of opinion is not about ignorance in this case, but rudeness is hopefully due to ignorance on your part.&nbsp; The irony is that your &quot;duh&quot; is in reference to me understanding different people have different tastes.&nbsp; Therefore by all means take me to task for not being educated enough to &quot;get&quot; the bard.My point remains.&nbsp; For me, the character of a bard, throwing fireballs and plunking on a stringed instrument does not evoke a cool fantasy archetype.&nbsp; Maybe I need to haunt the library more to get into it (said no *#@$% fighter, wizard, sorcerer, rogue, cleric, barbarian, ranger player ever!).&nbsp; Enjoy you bard.&nbsp; I will enjoy my characters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Warpiglet, post: 7084161, member: 6689161"] I am sorry I hurt your feelings. I do not like bards. If you look at my reasoning related to character design and archetypes back further, you will see that my opinion was not synonymous with giving you a wedgie and mocking you personally for playing a fantasy game. I also noted that I considered playing one and did not like the imagery and so backed out. It just was not for me. I think your point about music/lyrics is reasonable. Yet, I did not enjoy the lyrics in the LOTR books much and found them a distraction (oh the heresy!). I cannot think of many instances of characters throwing flashy spells while playing an instrument and singing (not required, but is present in most artist representations of bard and you can use your instrument as a focus). As a result, I am not "into" the bard, no matter the literary or intellectual gymnastics that would make them more palatable for me. I have even thought about Jungian archetypes a bit. Nevertheless, I still do not think bards are very immersive for the campaigns in which I have participated. As a side note your post is really rude and condescending. If someone DID give you a wedgie for playing D&D, it was not me. I was too busy playing D&D. I looked at my previous posts. I don't like the same thing as you. The difference of opinion is not about ignorance in this case, but rudeness is hopefully due to ignorance on your part. The irony is that your "duh" is in reference to me understanding different people have different tastes. Therefore by all means take me to task for not being educated enough to "get" the bard. My point remains. For me, the character of a bard, throwing fireballs and plunking on a stringed instrument does not evoke a cool fantasy archetype. Maybe I need to haunt the library more to get into it (said no *#@$% fighter, wizard, sorcerer, rogue, cleric, barbarian, ranger player ever!). Enjoy you bard. I will enjoy my characters. [/QUOTE]

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