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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 7084272" data-attributes="member: 15700">A while ago I created a thread with a basic list of criteria for class inclusion on a newer edition.&nbsp; One of the four things was how much of a history the class has embedded in the game.&nbsp; The bard has been part of D&amp;D since the late 70s.&nbsp; I don't see it being omitted in a future edition.&nbsp; Especially since the people who don't like the class (like myself) are a pretty small minority.Yeah, I said it.&nbsp; I don't like the bard.&nbsp; I don't think it's silly, per se, but I think it's a bit out of place and kinda lame (especially the aforementioned train wreck that was the 1e bard).&nbsp; But hey, that's just my opinion, so I don't play the bard.&nbsp; I'm not going to go around to people's houses and take away their books if they play one.And on a related note, the argument &quot;you can't call anything silly in a game where we pretend to be elves&quot; is a really bad argument.&nbsp; Too bad it happens a lot.&nbsp; Yes, even in a game where we pretend to play elves can things be silly.&nbsp; If I wanted to play a man in a pink bunny suit who did nothing but dance and sing and make corny jokes, that would still be considered to be silly even in D&amp;D land.&nbsp; It's related to that argument &quot;why can't mundane classes have awesome superhuman powers in a world where dragons fly?&quot;&nbsp; Because then by that logic, I could say, &quot;Why don't you allow every PC to be able to teleport and read minds and shoot lasers out of their eyes, after all it's a world where dragons exist?&quot;&nbsp; I.e., even in a fantastical world, things are still rooted in real world physics and laws.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 7084272, member: 15700"] A while ago I created a thread with a basic list of criteria for class inclusion on a newer edition. One of the four things was how much of a history the class has embedded in the game. The bard has been part of D&D since the late 70s. I don't see it being omitted in a future edition. Especially since the people who don't like the class (like myself) are a pretty small minority. Yeah, I said it. I don't like the bard. I don't think it's silly, per se, but I think it's a bit out of place and kinda lame (especially the aforementioned train wreck that was the 1e bard). But hey, that's just my opinion, so I don't play the bard. I'm not going to go around to people's houses and take away their books if they play one. And on a related note, the argument "you can't call anything silly in a game where we pretend to be elves" is a really bad argument. Too bad it happens a lot. Yes, even in a game where we pretend to play elves can things be silly. If I wanted to play a man in a pink bunny suit who did nothing but dance and sing and make corny jokes, that would still be considered to be silly even in D&D land. It's related to that argument "why can't mundane classes have awesome superhuman powers in a world where dragons fly?" Because then by that logic, I could say, "Why don't you allow every PC to be able to teleport and read minds and shoot lasers out of their eyes, after all it's a world where dragons exist?" I.e., even in a fantastical world, things are still rooted in real world physics and laws. [/QUOTE]

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