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<blockquote data-quote="Derren" data-source="post: 7086704" data-attributes="member: 2518"><p>Ah the usual defense when people run our of arguments. Its not my fault that your last D&D session is so far back that you have trouble actual in game combats.</p><p>You still present a scene not representative of actual D&D gameplay because even though you now add blurbs that there are other characters in the combat it is still a story about the bard doing stuff alone and placing him onto a pedestal. In actual gameplay the bard wouldn't solo his enemy unopposed while the rest of the party (maybe) does something in the background and then wonders how awesome the bard is, the bard would while his companions fight play his harp so that they hit harder and maybe throw out an insult at sometimes clearly unintelligent enemies which are currently also fought by his companions. He would not stand apart. I know why you present it this way. You want to lessen the disconnect between a singing, lute or harp playing bard and actively fighting characters by representing them separately. But thats not how it works in game.</p><p></p><p>When a bard does the same as the wizard, why isn't he a wizard? Why does he have a harp instead of a wand? Why does the art, rules and fluff in the books present us with a guy playing a lute in the background to encourage others and hurl insults at stone golems when you could instead have someone in his place who throws a spear of lightning at the enemies? Even with the same effect in the rules the imagery of that makes a lot more sense than vicious mockery.</p><p></p><p>Oh and for extra silliness, imagine Orpheus keep playing while a tiger critted him and is gnawing on his leg.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Derren, post: 7086704, member: 2518"] Ah the usual defense when people run our of arguments. Its not my fault that your last D&D session is so far back that you have trouble actual in game combats. You still present a scene not representative of actual D&D gameplay because even though you now add blurbs that there are other characters in the combat it is still a story about the bard doing stuff alone and placing him onto a pedestal. In actual gameplay the bard wouldn't solo his enemy unopposed while the rest of the party (maybe) does something in the background and then wonders how awesome the bard is, the bard would while his companions fight play his harp so that they hit harder and maybe throw out an insult at sometimes clearly unintelligent enemies which are currently also fought by his companions. He would not stand apart. I know why you present it this way. You want to lessen the disconnect between a singing, lute or harp playing bard and actively fighting characters by representing them separately. But thats not how it works in game. When a bard does the same as the wizard, why isn't he a wizard? Why does he have a harp instead of a wand? Why does the art, rules and fluff in the books present us with a guy playing a lute in the background to encourage others and hurl insults at stone golems when you could instead have someone in his place who throws a spear of lightning at the enemies? Even with the same effect in the rules the imagery of that makes a lot more sense than vicious mockery. Oh and for extra silliness, imagine Orpheus keep playing while a tiger critted him and is gnawing on his leg. [/QUOTE]
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