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<blockquote data-quote="TheCosmicKid" data-source="post: 7086983" data-attributes="member: 6683613">Give me an actual in-game combat, and I'll show you how a half-decent DM can translate that into a dramatic narrative. You can have the bard act however you like, as long as it's something a player who's trying to be serious would plausibly do. (If the player is trying to be silly, all you've proven is that players can be silly.) You can give him whatever rolls you like: he can triumph completely or die horribly, there's drama either way. Everything else is up to you too. The ball is totally in your court.I'm not afraid of issuing this challenge because (notwithstanding your aspersions) I'm not trying to obfuscate or hide anything. I'm trying to show you something. You hate this &quot;silly&quot; bard you envision, so I'm trying to show you that there are other ways to envision the bard which you might not hate. Now, so far you've demonstrated that you'd rather keep complaining about your problem than learn how to fix it. You'd rather curse the darkness than light a candle. If you're going to persist with that attitude, then I can't help you -- and I'd appreciate it if you just came out and told me this is the case, so I don't waste any more of my time here. But if you instead approach this with an open mind, then maybe you can be a little bit happier the next time a player shows up at your table with a bard.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TheCosmicKid, post: 7086983, member: 6683613"] Give me an actual in-game combat, and I'll show you how a half-decent DM can translate that into a dramatic narrative. You can have the bard act however you like, as long as it's something a player who's trying to be serious would plausibly do. (If the player is trying to be silly, all you've proven is that players can be silly.) You can give him whatever rolls you like: he can triumph completely or die horribly, there's drama either way. Everything else is up to you too. The ball is totally in your court. I'm not afraid of issuing this challenge because (notwithstanding your aspersions) I'm not trying to obfuscate or hide anything. I'm trying to [I]show you something[/I]. You hate this "silly" bard you envision, so I'm trying to show you that there are other ways to envision the bard which you might not hate. Now, so far you've demonstrated that you'd rather keep complaining about your problem than learn how to fix it. You'd rather curse the darkness than light a candle. If you're going to persist with that attitude, then I can't help you -- and I'd appreciate it if you just came out and told me this is the case, so I don't waste any more of my time here. But if you instead approach this with an open mind, then maybe you can be a little bit happier the next time a player shows up at your table with a bard. [/QUOTE]

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