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<blockquote data-quote="Brandegoris" data-source="post: 7091702" data-attributes="member: 6867337">Is the wizard toting a harp and waring tights? Because THAT is the issue . LOLThe Bard is Stereotyped in D&amp;D. That's the truth. they have finally given some different archetypes but Bard Unfortunately is often synonymous with minstrel and troubadour. It Evokes Imagery because D&amp;D has used said imagery for a VERY long time. That imagery is more often than not a dude in a feathered cap with tights singing everything like a jackass and wearing clashing colors. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; I think that people have demonstrated in this thread that we can ignore that concept of course and the bard might be seen as much less silly. And I appreciate that, so thank all of you that explained. BUT...I have run into a dearth of players that cannot shake the bard concept as a wandering , tight wearing girl chasing jackass. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />NOW I get this is a player problem at some point, but most players are just trying to mimic what they have seen for over 25 years in the D&amp;D game. THAT is what is&nbsp; silly. I think that most of us that do&nbsp; find it silly, basically only find that particular notion silly. I&nbsp;do wonder though, If you change the persona of a &quot;Bard&quot; then is he really a &quot;Bard&quot;? &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; I personally think that if, as some of you are&nbsp; suggesting, the Musical element can easily be ignored and not really the Focal point of what a bard is, then why the hell is it called a BARD? That is the confusing part.When People play a Wizard they generally play them and&nbsp; at least at some level,&nbsp; expect them to be fairly cliché. Not always, but often. Because they are called a WIZARD, and wizard evokes certain elements weather its robes, a staff and a pointy hat with a spellbook or not. That is the first image that generally pops into a persons mind when the word is uttered. We all see Gandalf the Grey. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I guarantee you that if someone says the Word BARD, It conjures the Image of a person with some type of instrument,. So saying that the Music doesn't have to be the focus of the bard , while technically true, is disingenuous.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Brandegoris, post: 7091702, member: 6867337"] Is the wizard toting a harp and waring tights? Because THAT is the issue . LOL The Bard is Stereotyped in D&D. That's the truth. they have finally given some different archetypes but Bard Unfortunately is often synonymous with minstrel and troubadour. It Evokes Imagery because D&D has used said imagery for a VERY long time. That imagery is more often than not a dude in a feathered cap with tights singing everything like a jackass and wearing clashing colors. :) I think that people have demonstrated in this thread that we can ignore that concept of course and the bard might be seen as much less silly. And I appreciate that, so thank all of you that explained. BUT...I have run into a dearth of players that cannot shake the bard concept as a wandering , tight wearing girl chasing jackass. :) NOW I get this is a player problem at some point, but most players are just trying to mimic what they have seen for over 25 years in the D&D game. THAT is what is silly. I think that most of us that do find it silly, basically only find that particular notion silly. I do wonder though, If you change the persona of a "Bard" then is he really a "Bard"? I personally think that if, as some of you are suggesting, the Musical element can easily be ignored and not really the Focal point of what a bard is, then why the hell is it called a BARD? That is the confusing part. When People play a Wizard they generally play them and at least at some level, expect them to be fairly cliché. Not always, but often. Because they are called a WIZARD, and wizard evokes certain elements weather its robes, a staff and a pointy hat with a spellbook or not. That is the first image that generally pops into a persons mind when the word is uttered. We all see Gandalf the Grey. :) I guarantee you that if someone says the Word BARD, It conjures the Image of a person with some type of instrument,. So saying that the Music doesn't have to be the focus of the bard , while technically true, is disingenuous. [/QUOTE]

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