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<blockquote data-quote="The Grassy Gnoll" data-source="post: 7091823" data-attributes="member: 6788652">I quite like the bard concept (Fflewder Fflan ffan) but I dislike the musical instrument mechanic. As I understand it they don't need to be playing the instrument, just holding it, which seems weird. If they gain their magic power from manipulating music, holding the flute is meaningless. Playing it, sure. You make magic notes that bend reality. But holding it makes no sense in that fluff. It may as well be a component pouch. I like the idea of bardic magic being able to be sung into existence (thus providing the option of the warrior bard &quot;singing a song of red death as he hacked his way through the ranks of the undead&quot;, and at the same time giving the player the chance to fit pop songs into suitable lyrics - which I always enjoy, at least).But that said, from PHB:5/11 cantrips are V or VS only10/21 level 1 spells are V or VS onlySo there is that ability as written, and if a player were to say that their bard was a magical singer then I'd be inclined to forego M components unless they have a value in gp rather than insist on holding onto the neck of a ukulele. I mean if you wanted to ensure they had a hand busy it could be that they are doing that thing that singers do where they touch their ear on the high notes? As an aside where you have V S bard spells like thunderwave I mean, it's got to be a bill and ted air guitar riff for the S part, right?...UmI had a point somewhere in there.Sent from my iPhone using EN World</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Grassy Gnoll, post: 7091823, member: 6788652"] I quite like the bard concept (Fflewder Fflan ffan) but I dislike the musical instrument mechanic. As I understand it they don't need to be playing the instrument, just holding it, which seems weird. If they gain their magic power from manipulating music, holding the flute is meaningless. Playing it, sure. You make magic notes that bend reality. But holding it makes no sense in that fluff. It may as well be a component pouch. I like the idea of bardic magic being able to be sung into existence (thus providing the option of the warrior bard "singing a song of red death as he hacked his way through the ranks of the undead", and at the same time giving the player the chance to fit pop songs into suitable lyrics - which I always enjoy, at least). But that said, from PHB: 5/11 cantrips are V or VS only 10/21 level 1 spells are V or VS only So there is that ability as written, and if a player were to say that their bard was a magical singer then I'd be inclined to forego M components unless they have a value in gp rather than insist on holding onto the neck of a ukulele. I mean if you wanted to ensure they had a hand busy it could be that they are doing that thing that singers do where they touch their ear on the high notes? As an aside where you have V S bard spells like thunderwave I mean, it's got to be a bill and ted air guitar riff for the S part, right? ... Um I had a point somewhere in there. Sent from my iPhone using EN World [/QUOTE]

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