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<blockquote data-quote="Brandegoris" data-source="post: 7101061" data-attributes="member: 6867337">I don't think I have hidden that from anyone. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Also I have conceded that My viewpoint has changed&nbsp; a bit because I have heard some good stuff in hereTo Be clear: My mind has NOT changed as it concerns the generic Minstrel pansy however. I still do dislike the cliché Image / persona of the loudly dressed, Flirty over the top silly bard. That wont change. I just think it adds a comic element to the game that is always present and some games aren't meant to be that way. I do Now see several great examples of how a Bard might be tailored to avoid that particular cliché and while I still don't love everything about these concepts I find them good and an improvement.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Brandegoris, post: 7101061, member: 6867337"] I don't think I have hidden that from anyone. :) Also I have conceded that My viewpoint has changed a bit because I have heard some good stuff in here To Be clear: My mind has NOT changed as it concerns the generic Minstrel pansy however. I still do dislike the cliché Image / persona of the loudly dressed, Flirty over the top silly bard. That wont change. I just think it adds a comic element to the game that is always present and some games aren't meant to be that way. I do Now see several great examples of how a Bard might be tailored to avoid that particular cliché and while I still don't love everything about these concepts I find them good and an improvement. [/QUOTE]

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