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<blockquote data-quote="radferth" data-source="post: 4352025" data-attributes="member: 5791">They weren't ignorant, they decided to discontinue that game.I'd say top 5 or 10%.You wouldn't have to be so few, just not as big as the target market.&nbsp; Having the streamlined combat and character options they wanted and having nuanced spell use such as you (and myself, and many others) enjoy were mutually exclusive.Very nearly.No, although I usually went for cheaper options.No, but this implies a certain power level and commonality of magic that would be specific to only a certain percentage of campaigns.I'm sure many did.&nbsp; I used them to fake ambushes myself.Once again, campaign specific, and thus probably fairly uncommon.It was not.Their goal was not to keep the same system while adding options for non-spellcasters.&nbsp; It was to redesign the game into something much more streamlined.A few, I am sure.4e wasn't designed to support the type of campaign play you are used to.&nbsp; You can still do it, there just is limited rules support for it.&nbsp; I'd personally be happier if the default/supported RPG system (i.e. the current version of D&amp;D) supported the type of campaigns I enjoy, but WotC has not obligation to seek my approval for there game system.&nbsp; I expect they are going to a more streamlined, combat/miniatures based system for the same reason Willie Sutton robbed banks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="radferth, post: 4352025, member: 5791"] They weren't ignorant, they decided to discontinue that game. I'd say top 5 or 10%. You wouldn't have to be so few, just not as big as the target market. Having the streamlined combat and character options they wanted and having nuanced spell use such as you (and myself, and many others) enjoy were mutually exclusive. Very nearly. No, although I usually went for cheaper options. No, but this implies a certain power level and commonality of magic that would be specific to only a certain percentage of campaigns. I'm sure many did. I used them to fake ambushes myself. Once again, campaign specific, and thus probably fairly uncommon. It was not. Their goal was not to keep the same system while adding options for non-spellcasters. It was to redesign the game into something much more streamlined. A few, I am sure. 4e wasn't designed to support the type of campaign play you are used to. You can still do it, there just is limited rules support for it. I'd personally be happier if the default/supported RPG system (i.e. the current version of D&D) supported the type of campaigns I enjoy, but WotC has not obligation to seek my approval for there game system. I expect they are going to a more streamlined, combat/miniatures based system for the same reason Willie Sutton robbed banks. [/QUOTE]

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