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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sound of Azure" data-source="post: 3686262" data-attributes="member: 40749">I've noticed that a bit myself. I've learnt to hammer out with the player exactly what is expected of a paladin in games I run, and I talk with prospective DMs about what they expect from paladins when I play such characters. Seems to do wonders for this kind of situation.As to dropping a Paladin PC if he falls, it depends on the reason behind it. If it's an entirely arbitrary reason, that would be supremely annoying to me. The DM doesn't need to get permission from me or anything (that would be pretty nuts, too), but the reason for the fall has to at least make sense to me before I'll accept it.Even then, if I was otherwise enjoying the game, I'd keep playing it. After having a few words with the DM after game about expectations, of course. And then, the long road to redemtion. If the situation becoms untenable/unfun later, I would change characters, but only after really trying to work with the DM on it.One of my former players actually makes contingency plans for his paladins in case the DM he's playing under is a nutcase. "Why of course my paladin is taking Improved Sunder and ranks in the hide skill. It's a special order of stealthy paladins!"  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

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