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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 1081127" data-attributes="member: 4937">Al: That's basically how I came up with my numbers, plus or minus a little bit of rounding to use the even numbers D20 prefers.&nbsp; I have detailed rules for 1st edition character generation for children, but not for 3rd edition and definately not for point buy.&nbsp; The obvious place to start though would be giving a child a lower starting point and some fraction of there adult 'points' to spend depending on there age.You can't assume fractions of a child's age entirely, because the stats of a baby - while pretty close to zero's, aren't zero's across the board.&nbsp; Yes, a newborn might well have effectively 0 str and 0 dex, but it does not have 0 con or 0 charisma.&nbsp; So con and charima need to begin at a baseline.&nbsp; Both are rather subjective stats, so I tend to begin with a baseline of 1/2 adult normal. &quot;no, theyre not realistic. they are just what YOU think.&quot;That is a really assanine comment.&nbsp; Particularly since I was explicitly contrasting the goal of 'realism' with the goal of being 'cinematic'.&nbsp; As Al points out, cinematic rules for children's abilities - whether those be the story rules of a movie like 'Home Alone' or 'Spy Kids' - tend to give children abilities with respect to adults that they just don't have.&nbsp;&nbsp; The star wars rules, taken at face value as if they were some sort of racial modifier, generate children of a 'cinematic' quality which are capable of defeating average adults in virtually any contest.&nbsp;&nbsp; However, I as a goal want to get closer to the abilities that children actually have, since I'm not anticipating children themselves being major PC's.&nbsp;&nbsp; Therefore, my rules want to relate numbers like 'strength' to a child's actual physical capacities.&nbsp; If I had those numbers, I would make rules for generating childs statistics that would be more or less exactly capable of doing in the game what children are capable of in real life.&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't have those numbers, so I have to fudge them based on some personal experience and observation, but they are 'just' what I think as if my opinion that a child has a 6 str is equally as valid as an 8 year old child having a 14 str.&nbsp; I may not have an exact number, but for my stated goal of 'realism' its a alot better than existing published rules.If you want to have children as PC's, well you'll have to have different goals.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 1081127, member: 4937"] Al: That's basically how I came up with my numbers, plus or minus a little bit of rounding to use the even numbers D20 prefers. I have detailed rules for 1st edition character generation for children, but not for 3rd edition and definately not for point buy. The obvious place to start though would be giving a child a lower starting point and some fraction of there adult 'points' to spend depending on there age. You can't assume fractions of a child's age entirely, because the stats of a baby - while pretty close to zero's, aren't zero's across the board. Yes, a newborn might well have effectively 0 str and 0 dex, but it does not have 0 con or 0 charisma. So con and charima need to begin at a baseline. Both are rather subjective stats, so I tend to begin with a baseline of 1/2 adult normal. "no, theyre not realistic. they are just what YOU think." That is a really assanine comment. Particularly since I was explicitly contrasting the goal of 'realism' with the goal of being 'cinematic'. As Al points out, cinematic rules for children's abilities - whether those be the story rules of a movie like 'Home Alone' or 'Spy Kids' - tend to give children abilities with respect to adults that they just don't have. The star wars rules, taken at face value as if they were some sort of racial modifier, generate children of a 'cinematic' quality which are capable of defeating average adults in virtually any contest. However, I as a goal want to get closer to the abilities that children actually have, since I'm not anticipating children themselves being major PC's. Therefore, my rules want to relate numbers like 'strength' to a child's actual physical capacities. If I had those numbers, I would make rules for generating childs statistics that would be more or less exactly capable of doing in the game what children are capable of in real life. I don't have those numbers, so I have to fudge them based on some personal experience and observation, but they are 'just' what I think as if my opinion that a child has a 6 str is equally as valid as an 8 year old child having a 14 str. I may not have an exact number, but for my stated goal of 'realism' its a alot better than existing published rules. If you want to have children as PC's, well you'll have to have different goals. [/QUOTE]

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