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<blockquote data-quote="yennico" data-source="post: 2220684" data-attributes="member: 11978">Do you mean demonic summoner or a summoner of demons ?A demonic summoner whose only spells are summon spells has a big disadvantage at higher levels: spells that prevent the summoned outsiders to enter the material plane.Because of this I would give your prc Bab/saves of a cleric.Why class skills as a wizard? His patron is a demon so this class is more a cleric than a wizard.Why does this class need this ability ? I would say no. This ability is too powerful.I dislike increasing the damage of the poison beyond the damage of a poison spell.At level 20 your prc can use this ability 5/day This is equal a cleric 20 who casts only poisons spells.The poison is not useful if your prc has a bad BaB.1. The name ritual for this ability: I would not call an action which takes only 1 round to perform a ritual. IMHO a ritual should take at least one 1 hour.IMHO you should rename this ability.2. I would not limit the use of the &quot;ritual&quot; to once a day. Think about a cleric who prays only for summoning spells.A quasit as familar needs a spellcaster level of 7.I do not have access to my books and I do not know if I own the book with the acolyte of the skin 3.5 version.Creatures of the &quot;rituals&quot;Manes CR1 means IMHO IIRC summon monster IDretch summon monster III Rutterkin CR 3 summon monster IIIBar-lgurra CR 5 summon monster VJovoc CR summon monster VBabau summon monster VII Vrock summon monster VIIIBebilith IXMy version of your demonic summonerLvl&nbsp; &nbsp; Abilities1 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Feat: Demonic Thrall,&nbsp; Summoning I&nbsp; 2 -&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Summoning II, 4 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Outsider type, Darkvision 60 ft.5 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Summoning III 6 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Darkness 3x/day, Resistances (acid 5, cold 5, electricity 5, fire 5)&nbsp; 7 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Summoning III, Improved familiar (quasit)8 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Poison 3x/day9 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Summoning IV, 10 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Resistances acid 10, cold 10, electricity 10, fire 10,11 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Summoning V 12 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Contagion 1/day13 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Summoning VI 14 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Demonic glare15 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Summoning VII, 16 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Unholy aura 3x/day17 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Summoning VIII 18 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 19 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Summoning IX Glare of the Abyss20 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=77916&amp;page=1&amp;pp=32" target="_blank">Feat: Demonic Thrall</a> Summoning (Su): A demonic summoner can perform a prayer which takes 1 round to petition his or her demon lord for aid. This comes in the form of a demon which will fight on behalf of the summoner for a maximum of 1 round per level. Summoned demons cannot call other demons to their aid. A demonic summoner may call more powerful demons as he or she increases in level. A demonic summoner may only call each demon type once/4 levels.The summoning ability works like a summon monster spell of the same level.The summoning ability is divine magic.Summoning I: Mane [BoVD]Summoning II: ???Summoning III: Dretch [MM1]Summoning IV: Rutterkin [MM1]Summoning V: Bar-Lgurra [MM1]Summoning VI: Jovoc [MM2]Summoning VII: Babau [MM1]Summoning VIII: Vrock [MM1]Summoning IX:Bebilith [MM1]Outsider Type: At 1st level, the demonic summoner completes her metamorphosis. Her type changes to outsider (native). She becomes vulnerable to spells and effects that work on creatures of the outsider type but is immune to effects that target her original type.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="yennico, post: 2220684, member: 11978"] Do you mean demonic summoner or a summoner of demons ? A demonic summoner whose only spells are summon spells has a big disadvantage at higher levels: spells that prevent the summoned outsiders to enter the material plane. Because of this I would give your prc Bab/saves of a cleric. Why class skills as a wizard? His patron is a demon so this class is more a cleric than a wizard. Why does this class need this ability ? I would say no. This ability is too powerful. I dislike increasing the damage of the poison beyond the damage of a poison spell. At level 20 your prc can use this ability 5/day This is equal a cleric 20 who casts only poisons spells. The poison is not useful if your prc has a bad BaB. 1. The name ritual for this ability: I would not call an action which takes only 1 round to perform a ritual. IMHO a ritual should take at least one 1 hour. IMHO you should rename this ability. 2. I would not limit the use of the "ritual" to once a day. Think about a cleric who prays only for summoning spells. A quasit as familar needs a spellcaster level of 7. I do not have access to my books and I do not know if I own the book with the acolyte of the skin 3.5 version. Creatures of the "rituals" Manes CR1 means IMHO IIRC summon monster I Dretch summon monster III Rutterkin CR 3 summon monster III Bar-lgurra CR 5 summon monster V Jovoc CR summon monster V Babau summon monster VII Vrock summon monster VIII Bebilith IX My version of your demonic summoner Lvl Abilities 1 - Feat: Demonic Thrall, Summoning I 2 - 3 - Summoning II, 4 - Outsider type, Darkvision 60 ft. 5 - Summoning III 6 - Darkness 3x/day, Resistances (acid 5, cold 5, electricity 5, fire 5) 7 - Summoning III, Improved familiar (quasit) 8 - Poison 3x/day 9 - Summoning IV, 10 - Resistances acid 10, cold 10, electricity 10, fire 10, 11 - Summoning V 12 - Contagion 1/day 13 - Summoning VI 14 - Demonic glare 15 - Summoning VII, 16 - Unholy aura 3x/day 17 - Summoning VIII 18 - 19 - Summoning IX Glare of the Abyss 20 - [URL=http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=77916&page=1&pp=32]Feat: Demonic Thrall[/URL] Summoning (Su): A demonic summoner can perform a prayer which takes 1 round to petition his or her demon lord for aid. This comes in the form of a demon which will fight on behalf of the summoner for a maximum of 1 round per level. Summoned demons cannot call other demons to their aid. A demonic summoner may call more powerful demons as he or she increases in level. A demonic summoner may only call each demon type once/4 levels. The summoning ability works like a summon monster spell of the same level. The summoning ability is divine magic. Summoning I: Mane [BoVD] Summoning II: ??? Summoning III: Dretch [MM1] Summoning IV: Rutterkin [MM1] Summoning V: Bar-Lgurra [MM1] Summoning VI: Jovoc [MM2] Summoning VII: Babau [MM1] Summoning VIII: Vrock [MM1] Summoning IX:Bebilith [MM1] Outsider Type: At 1st level, the demonic summoner completes her metamorphosis. Her type changes to outsider (native). She becomes vulnerable to spells and effects that work on creatures of the outsider type but is immune to effects that target her original type. [/QUOTE]

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