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<blockquote data-quote="Erekose" data-source="post: 2220914" data-attributes="member: 610">Ironically both&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp; but seriously the class would just be called &quot;Summoner&quot; in my campaign.I can see your point.I originally expected use the Cleric but the Wizard seemed a better fit in terms of increasing the usefulness of the class.Hmm, I'm not sure why you think this ability is too powerful given a Paladin has &quot;Detect Evil&quot; at will at 1st level. However, I agree that it's not strictly speaking necessary. I introduced it to complement the &quot;Smite Good&quot; ability. Without Detect Good, Smite Good is a bit pointless.I agree that the progression is too swift, perhaps it should max out at 4/day (d10). I wanted an ability that could be introduced early and would scale with level (above and beyond summoning). Poison is a common ability across the Acolyte of the Skin and the Half-Fiend template.The name of the ability was a bit arbitrary. I may have been unclear, in terms of &quot;once per day&quot; what I meant was each demon type could only be summoned once per day.For a standard arcane spellcaster. I was trying to back fill what you've called, &quot;Summoning II&quot; with a viable alternative.That's pretty much how I decided on them.It's an interesting take on the class. Taking on board some of your earlier comments how about something like this: SummonerAlignment: Chaotic Neutral, Chaotic Evil or Neutral Evil.Hit Die: d6.BAB/SAVES: As Cleric.Class Skills: As Wizard.Skill Points at 1st Level: (2 + Int modifier) x 4.Skill Points at Each Additional Level: 2 + Int modifier.Weapon and Armour Proficiency: A summoner is proficient with all simple weapons,&nbsp; light armour and shields (except tower shields).Lvl&nbsp; &nbsp; Abilities1 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Poisoned Touch 1/day (d4), Summoning (Mane [BoVD])2 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Darkvision 60ft3 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Summoning (???)4 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Poison Immunity5 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Summoning (Dretch [MM1])6 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Poisoned Touch 2/day (d6)7 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Summoning (Rutterkin [MM1])8 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Binding (Quasit [MM1])9 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Summoning (Bar-Igurra [MM1])10 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Resistances 511 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Summoning (Jovoc [MM2])12 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Poisoned Touch 3/day (d8)13 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Summoning (Babau [MM1])14 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Demonic glare15 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Summoning (Vrock [MM1])16 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Resistances 1017 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Summoning (Bebilith [MM1])18 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Poisoned Touch 4/day (d10)19 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Glare of the Abyss20 -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Damage reduction 10/good [Outsider]I've called the &quot;Improved Familiar&quot;, Binding in the above table.Does anyone have a suggestion for the level 3 Summoning (perhaps out of the Fiend Folio)?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Erekose, post: 2220914, member: 610"] Ironically both ;) but seriously the class would just be called "Summoner" in my campaign. I can see your point. I originally expected use the Cleric but the Wizard seemed a better fit in terms of increasing the usefulness of the class. Hmm, I'm not sure why you think this ability is too powerful given a Paladin has "Detect Evil" at will at 1st level. However, I agree that it's not strictly speaking necessary. I introduced it to complement the "Smite Good" ability. Without Detect Good, Smite Good is a bit pointless. I agree that the progression is too swift, perhaps it should max out at 4/day (d10). I wanted an ability that could be introduced early and would scale with level (above and beyond summoning). Poison is a common ability across the Acolyte of the Skin and the Half-Fiend template. The name of the ability was a bit arbitrary. I may have been unclear, in terms of "once per day" what I meant was each demon type could only be summoned once per day. For a standard arcane spellcaster. I was trying to back fill what you've called, "Summoning II" with a viable alternative. That's pretty much how I decided on them. It's an interesting take on the class. Taking on board some of your earlier comments how about something like this: [B] Summoner[/B] [B]Alignment:[/B] Chaotic Neutral, Chaotic Evil or Neutral Evil. [B]Hit Die:[/B] d6. [B]BAB/SAVES:[/B] As Cleric. [B]Class Skills:[/B] As Wizard. [B]Skill Points at 1st Level:[/B] (2 + Int modifier) x 4. [B]Skill Points at Each Additional Level:[/B] 2 + Int modifier. [B]Weapon and Armour Proficiency:[/B] A summoner is proficient with all simple weapons, light armour and shields (except tower shields). [I]Lvl Abilities[/I] 1 - Poisoned Touch 1/day (d4), Summoning (Mane [BoVD]) 2 - Darkvision 60ft 3 - Summoning (???) 4 - Poison Immunity 5 - Summoning (Dretch [MM1]) 6 - Poisoned Touch 2/day (d6) 7 - Summoning (Rutterkin [MM1]) 8 - Binding (Quasit [MM1]) 9 - Summoning (Bar-Igurra [MM1]) 10 - Resistances 5 11 - Summoning (Jovoc [MM2]) 12 - Poisoned Touch 3/day (d8) 13 - Summoning (Babau [MM1]) 14 - Demonic glare 15 - Summoning (Vrock [MM1]) 16 - Resistances 10 17 - Summoning (Bebilith [MM1]) 18 - Poisoned Touch 4/day (d10) 19 - Glare of the Abyss 20 - Damage reduction 10/good [Outsider] I've called the "Improved Familiar", Binding in the above table. Does anyone have a suggestion for the level 3 Summoning (perhaps out of the Fiend Folio)? [/QUOTE]

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