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<blockquote data-quote="ValhallaGH" data-source="post: 2906491" data-attributes="member: 41187">*shoves thread back to general use*Slay is very powerful.&nbsp; Probably too powerful, since it's a better option than your other major combat spells.Pretend you're trying to slay a Battle Titan (basically a 28 HD T-Rex trained as a war mount from MM III) then you'll need to have a powerful enough slay spell to affect 28 HD of creature.&nbsp; For a meaningful amount of damage (say, 15d6) that's a DC 149 spell that you have to deliver from 10 feet away (AoO!). If you'd rather not get eaten while casting it, then you'll need some extra range too; another 40 feet should suffice for a final DC of 153 to either kill the BT or deal 15d6 of damage.On the other hand, you can get a 30d6 Create Energy spell from 50 feet away (changed from burst to target, so the same ranged touch attack) for a DC of 165.That's just too good.&nbsp; Not only does it have the same effect on a successful save but it has better effect on a failed save, is not mitigated by energy resistances and is 60% easier to cast.+2 per hit die seems too low to me.&nbsp; If someone can explain how this isn't an issue then I will be very impressed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ValhallaGH, post: 2906491, member: 41187"] *shoves thread back to general use* Slay is very powerful. Probably too powerful, since it's a better option than your other major combat spells. Pretend you're trying to slay a Battle Titan (basically a 28 HD T-Rex trained as a war mount from MM III) then you'll need to have a powerful enough slay spell to affect 28 HD of creature. For a meaningful amount of damage (say, 15d6) that's a DC 149 spell that you have to deliver from 10 feet away (AoO!). If you'd rather not get eaten while casting it, then you'll need some extra range too; another 40 feet should suffice for a final DC of 153 to either kill the BT or deal 15d6 of damage. On the other hand, you can get a 30d6 Create Energy spell from 50 feet away (changed from burst to target, so the same ranged touch attack) for a DC of 165. That's just too good. Not only does it have the same effect on a successful save but it has better effect on a failed save, is not mitigated by energy resistances and is 60% easier to cast. +2 per hit die seems too low to me. If someone can explain how this isn't an issue then I will be very impressed. [/QUOTE]

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