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<blockquote data-quote="DaveDash" data-source="post: 6647004" data-attributes="member: 6786202">Yeah Adult Green Dragons aren't going to scare 18th level party members. Your DM should be using at least Ancient Green Dragons - and spell caster ones with dispel magic, shield, counter-spell, misty step, and haste (and potentially True Sight and Freedom of Movement if they have the slots - just to be safe).I have a Paladin, Abjurer Wizard, Lore Bard, and Light Cleric in my high level group. They tear through stuff out of the monsters manual (recently killed a Balor without too much issue), but I almost killed one of them with a handful of ghasts and a couple of CR10 demonic ghouls (created using DMG rules) thrown in the mix. The ghouls could effectively use that potent constitution disease from the Contagion spell on hit (save means you're safe for 24 hours).After the fight the comment was &quot;I wish we knew those ghouls were going to be so tough!&quot;. That'll teach them for metagaming. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />EDIT: 5e high level combats as you know run reasonably fast, so your DM can use more creatures in combat without fear (unlike a 3e high level fight). I have a CR18 Half Fiend/Half Fire Giant &quot;boss&quot; as well, but he also has a Half-Fiend CR10 War Elephant, a couple of normal Fire Giants (CR9), and about half a dozen Ogres (CR2) as his body guard. My group wisely decided to parley with him instead of attack him.Your DM could have given that Fire Giant BBEG half a dozen minions and the fight would have been very different, even if they're lowish CR ones. Ogres for example still have a truck ton of HP to burn through and enough of them will hurt high level characters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DaveDash, post: 6647004, member: 6786202"] Yeah Adult Green Dragons aren't going to scare 18th level party members. Your DM should be using at least Ancient Green Dragons - and spell caster ones with dispel magic, shield, counter-spell, misty step, and haste (and potentially True Sight and Freedom of Movement if they have the slots - just to be safe). I have a Paladin, Abjurer Wizard, Lore Bard, and Light Cleric in my high level group. They tear through stuff out of the monsters manual (recently killed a Balor without too much issue), but I almost killed one of them with a handful of ghasts and a couple of CR10 demonic ghouls (created using DMG rules) thrown in the mix. The ghouls could effectively use that potent constitution disease from the [I]Contagion[/I] spell on hit (save means you're safe for 24 hours). After the fight the comment was "I wish we knew those ghouls were going to be so tough!". That'll teach them for metagaming. ;) EDIT: 5e high level combats as you know run reasonably fast, so your DM can use more creatures in combat without fear (unlike a 3e high level fight). I have a CR18 Half Fiend/Half Fire Giant "boss" as well, but he also has a Half-Fiend CR10 War Elephant, a couple of normal Fire Giants (CR9), and about half a dozen Ogres (CR2) as his body guard. My group wisely decided to parley with him instead of attack him. Your DM could have given that Fire Giant BBEG half a dozen minions and the fight would have been very different, even if they're lowish CR ones. Ogres for example still have a truck ton of HP to burn through and enough of them will hurt high level characters. [/QUOTE]

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