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<blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 8391855" data-attributes="member: 83242">No I was claiming 4e said epic was core and didn't deliver that (marketing speak, nothing about the game &quot;story&quot; which I don't really care that much about). As I think we have identified at this point my idea of epic is different than yours. I also didn't say 5e succeed.&nbsp; In fact, I repeatedly said it was OK, or they didn't do enough.&nbsp; How is that succeeding?&nbsp; I mean, it just seems like you are not even really looking at what I am writing. I did say I like the idea of epic boons better than 10 more levels. Finally, I never said 4e should have levels beyond 30, not sure where you got that.I also find it odd that I have repeatedly validated your viewpoint and all you seem to want to do is be disrespectful or belittle mine.&nbsp; That just isn't cool.Ok I am wrong , everything you think is correct and there could be no way I could have preferred something different than what 4e provided.&nbsp; It was all a mirage.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dave2008, post: 8391855, member: 83242"] No I was claiming 4e said epic was core and didn't deliver that (marketing speak, nothing about the game "story" which I don't really care that much about). As I think we have identified at this point my idea of epic is different than yours. I also didn't say 5e succeed. In fact, I repeatedly said it was OK, or they didn't do enough. How is that succeeding? I mean, it just seems like you are not even really looking at what I am writing. I did say I like the idea of epic boons better than 10 more levels. Finally, I never said 4e should have levels beyond 30, not sure where you got that. I also find it odd that I have repeatedly validated your viewpoint and all you seem to want to do is be disrespectful or belittle mine. That just isn't cool. Ok I am wrong , everything you think is correct and there could be no way I could have preferred something different than what 4e provided. It was all a mirage. [/QUOTE]

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